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FullySilenced
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Black salve worked for me I have used it several times now...
I used it on my head, my nose and my side.
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ChemoMan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Black Salve |
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Black salve has been proven to be dangerous and ineffective in treating cancer. Anyone who buys it is wasting their money. There are plenty of stories of people who have been horribly disfigured using this rubbish. It has been thouroughly tested and is useless.
Please take your snake oil somewhere else ! 
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Diffuse Large B cell Lymphoma
Stage 2a
Finished six cycles of R chop 21 26th May 2008
Officially in remission 9th July 2008
Remission confirmed 1st October 2008
Remission confirmed 17 June 2009
http://cancerforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=9620
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worthyisthelamb
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| Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 6:11 am Post subject: Re: Black Salve |
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ChemoMan, this type of cancer is melanoma, (skin cancer) hardly comparable to your under the surface of the skin type called lymphoma. It sounds like you are judging this product with out personally trying it yourself. Well I myself have seen it work first hand , so please dont slam a product that you yourself have not tried first hand. It is a very effective product when used on [b]skin cancer[/b].
It sounds like you went through a very difficult time with your chemotherapy, but I'm glad it worked for you.
My mother in Law went through chemotherapy for her lymphoma, however did not have the same positive outcome. |
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brainman
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ChemoMan
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 1:17 am Post subject: Re: Black Salve |
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Black salve does not work for skin cancer or any other type of cancer. One anecdotal story does not a cure make. it has been proven to be dangerous and ineffective.
I'm sorry to hear about your mother inlaw. I wish the treatment had been more effective.
Cheers and merry Christmas and I hope your new year is a happy one 
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Age 52
Diffuse Large B cell Lymphoma
Stage 2a
Finished six cycles of R chop 21 26th May 2008
Officially in remission 9th July 2008
Remission confirmed 1st October 2008
Remission confirmed 17 June 2009
http://cancerforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=9620
RULE NUMBER 1.....Don't Panic
RULE NUMBER 2..... Don't forget Rule number 1 |
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kumishi
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| Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject: Black Salve |
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I cannot give an idea what you are asking about the ointment. Maybe you can visit a doctor so that it would prescribed the right ointment that's feet to your skin and it help you to soothe about your problem.
I hope this recommendation can help you resolve what's bothering to you. Thank you. |
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Cobalt
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 9:40 am Post subject: Re: Black Salve |
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[quote="ChemoMan"]Black salve has been proven to be dangerous and ineffective in treating cancer. Anyone who buys it is wasting their money. There are plenty of stories of people who have been horribly disfigured using this rubbish. It has been thouroughly tested and is useless.
Please take your snake oil somewhere else ! [/quote]
I've read posts to this forum about black salve as I have been considering trying it on the basil cell carcinoma in front of my left ear (the targus) as well the squamous cell carcinoma on my right forearm.
Let me say that I am strongly influenced by Evidence Based Medicine, a school of thought suggesting the gut feelings developed by physicians in actual practice are not always in the best interests of the patient. Early results show that clinical trials are a much better source of reliable evaluation data. For more detailed info google Evidence Based Medicine.
I have not commenced my research for evidence, negative or positive, relative to black salve.
I have just arrived here after a google search for basil carcinoma.
When I do focus on Complementary Therapies I do not expect to find many clinical studies on the subject. I based this expectation on my cynical perceptions, accumulated over 40 years or so, of the drug industry's observable agenda.
What I hope to find are forums where individuals have related personal experiences, both positive and negative, on various therapies, with as much compelling 'evidence' as is available, in the form of results. This I would expect to include the specific therapy/extract/herb/plant, etc., as well as the ingredients/source of said product, sequential photos, age, gender and whatever else would seem pertinent so that I would have enough information to make a reasonably intelligent choice. So that I could make that choice.
What I've read, in this forum, are several anecdotal stories, some of which have included not only a compelling narrative but photos as well.
In addition I have encountered illogical assumptions, contrary logic as well as vociferously, angry comments in the form of personal attacks.
I want to take a second to thank, veesmith, for providing those two links "This salve has been much discussed: {link deleted by admin. http://cancerforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=12696 as amended http://cancerforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=7121 }
as they appear to represent both sides of the issue.
Chemoman, I want to be pretty blunt here, as you have in previous posts, because I figure you would want to be aware of how you appear to newbies, we who wouldn't have any reason to point out negatives other than to improve the quality of the information here. You (nor Kaelie) haven't had a chance to insult my intelligence, post any subtle or overt personal attacks my way, etc., yet.
The comments you have made, in this thread, convinced me to discount anything and everything you have posted and will post.
For example, you state: "One anecdotal story does not a cure make." The facts are that there are many, many more than "one anecdotal story". More than one just in Cancer forums alone. It appears you are willing to slant your comments in order to make a point. A point that may be a disservice to those who trust your comments, based solely on the fact that your are a moderator. You must be aware of how apparent your bias is: A. "Plenty of stories" happens to be anecdotal B. You yourself have scorned anecdotal stories and C. You offer no case studies nor even anecdotal stories (or links to them) by those horribly figured individuals.
When Kaelie posted "i've tried this junk and it does NOT repeat NOT work" where was your followup, such as: "One anecdotal story does not a failure make."
It is equally apparent to me that this particular thread would benefit without input from a moderator that is so biased, so disinterested in providing any kind of backup data for his strongly negative comments. The only real contribution I can discern from your comments is to use them as perfectly bad examples.
Brainman, why did you apply "No personal attacks, please. Keep it on the topic." to the more than gracious post by worthyisthelamb yet are silent when Aneeramdo35 posts "I Love Anal" as well as those expressed by Kaelie: certainly the words she used to reply to lordsrvr's post were a blatant attack: essentially calling lordsrvr ignorant and a liar?
lordsrvr, I agree with your reply to Kaelie, it seems that several of the long-term members of this newsgroup have a agenda that is not, um, logical, nor based in reality.
The best I can expect, in all probability, is that newbies/members will continue to post pertinent information in spite of the very unwelcoming, unprofessional treatment from those better off focusing on self-evaluation.
Finally, I hope other newbies/member will comment on the above. Such a reality check may cure what ails this place. One can only hope.
Perhaps an attempted defense of the indefensible will just disgust many, who will then simply not return.
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Vee Smith
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Black Salve |
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Personally I regard this product as Alternative Therapy, not Complementary since it is advised as an alternative to mainline treatments.
One of the characteristics I have noted over the years with those following alternative therapies is they always appear to read the successful stories and dismiss the others as prejudiced and/or biased. This applies to a wide range of so-called cures or treatments. Some people have apparently recovered or improved with such products, but they are individuals and who can tell what exactly took effect, particularly if they had previously been receiving treatment.
The dismissal of so much careful thought and in some cases research is worrying. If you wish to try BS and IF it should prove your answer, fair enough, but please do not dismiss the views of those who have long experience of dealing with cancers and the ways of handling it.
Black Salve does not have a good reputation, and the fact that it is banned following research into its uses and effects must be considered. |
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brainman
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Black Salve |
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Cobalt, welcome to the forum. I tend to agree with you... especially on this particular forum. It should be a free dialog about what people have experience with outside of main stream options. There are limits which are stated in http://cancerforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=13872 .
However, I have to question your motives for joining this forum. On your very first post you want to confront another member? If you had already shared your own story and asked some questions and gained our trust, this would be different and I would not be replying to you. But it seems to me that the only reason you joined is to cause drama and confrontation. Please, refrain for doing this until your have earned our trust. Thanks.
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Administrator and long-term cancer survivor
1992 Astrocytoma grade 2, left motor strip
2005 Recurrence this time said to be an Oligodendroglioma grade 3, same location.
http://cancerforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=2405
My Story Part 1: http://cancerforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=2528
My Story Part 2: http://cancerforums.net/viewtopic.php?p=7350
My Story Part 3: http://cancerforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=8029
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ChemoMan
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Black Salve |
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Hi Cobalt
A Basal Cell carcinoma is very very easy to treat when caught early. If you want to burn your ear off with black salve then go right ahead. There is a very very slight chance it will actually work, but if your go to a proper doctor there will be a fantastic chance, 100% if its early stage, you will be cured. I know what option I would take.
BCC's are like ice bergs only the tip is visible. You are going to have to burn off a lot of your ear to get it all and it will be a sloughy horrible mess and there is every chance it won't work. You will be in pain and your ear will be such a mess you will have to cover it at all times. You will leave yourself open to secondary infection and at the end of it you may still have cancer.
This is how good Black Salve is
http://www.retirementbulletinboard.com/articles/images/conrad.jpg
Nice hey. the article from which that pic is from can be found here :
http://www.retirementbulletinboard.com/article.asp?grp=1&subgrp=0&specific=132
Black salve is listed by the American Cancer Society as a treatment to be avoided. It is a quack cure, dangerous to use and people that actively promote it are misguided and ill informed at best and criminals at worst.
The legality of this treatment is questionable and the US government has closed many companies that produce it down over the years and prosecuted doctors that have used it. Unfortunately the internet has spawned its use and made it difficult to control. here is a typical letter you can expect if you try and market this stuff as a cancer "cure" in the states
http://www.casewatch.org/fdawarning/prod/2008/best_on_earth.shtml
There are plenty of places on the net where you can push this stuff. This is not one of them as I consider it my duty to protect our community from harm and it is obvious that Black salve is harmful.
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Age 52
Diffuse Large B cell Lymphoma
Stage 2a
Finished six cycles of R chop 21 26th May 2008
Officially in remission 9th July 2008
Remission confirmed 1st October 2008
Remission confirmed 17 June 2009
http://cancerforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=9620
RULE NUMBER 1.....Don't Panic
RULE NUMBER 2..... Don't forget Rule number 1 |
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