In Remission, how much to push ?

Badri · Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:33 am Post subject: In Remission, how much to push ?

Hi,

This has been a question, I have been thinking of asking from the day I was declared to be in remission. The first six months of remission, I was taking life easy and did not work. We paid the bills from an overdraft account what couldnt be met from my wife monthly pay.

Now I have rejoined work for the past two months. The first month I used to get back into the routine of getting ready for the office and spending a couple of hours there. I did not do much but started getting used to setting deadlines after almost a year.

This month an assignment came up in Africa and I just travelled a week and came back today to my home in India.

Well my question actually is how much one can push oneself without again putting the body at risk. To summarise a bit, I was diagnosed with fourth stage of NHL and recovered after six rounds of chemo.

My exercising has reduced from the day that I rejoined work and the last week it has almost become nil.

I am afraid whether that I may be inviting a second round if I were not to take care of my body.

Would like your thoughts and if any of such thoughts occur to those who are in remission.

Have a Great day. Keep smiling.

Badri
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Age : 44
Diffuse Large B cell Lymphoma
Stage 4
Finished Six cycles of R Chop 14 - 21st Jan '09
Officially in remission 9th February 2009
Remission confirmed 24th April 2009

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shemay · Regular Joined: 23 Oct 2009 Posts: 35 Location: Canada

Hi Badri

The human body needs to move and so I would suggest you need to be doing some exercise every day. You could start slowly by using a rebounder (mini trampoline). This particular type of exercise is especially recommended for improving the functioning of our lymph system. The lymph system bathes every cell, carrying nutrients to the cell and waste products away. Contrary to blood which is pumped by the heart, the lymph is totally dependent on physical exercise to move. Without adequate movement, the cells are left stewing in their own waste products and starving for nutrients, a situation which can contribute to arthritis, cancer and other degenerative diseases as well as aging. Vigorous exercise such as rebounding is reported to increase lymph flow by 15 to 30 times.

Rebounding on a mini trampoline is perhaps the most efficient and forceful means of flushing the lymph while stimulating the immune system and defending against many ailments. During rebound exercise the forces of the upward and downward bounces – acceleration and deceleration – are vertically aligned on the same plane with gravity. It was proven by Albert Einstein in 1911 that the aligned forces of acceleration, deceleration and gravity result in an increased gravitational load. What this means for the body is that during rebound exercise cells adjust to the increased load by becoming stronger. Rebounding strengthens virtually every cell of the body at the same time and is equivalent to resistance training for the cells.

It takes only two minutes of rebounding to flush the entire lymphatic system, while cleansing and strengthening cells and lymph nodes. A further benefit to the body is that during this brief time span the white blood cells of the immune system triple in number and remain elevated for an hour. These specialized cells play a major role in the body's defense against illness and disease. For one full hour their activity is increased as they perform their tasks of destroying and eliminating diseased cells and other toxins, expending themselves in the process. An hour after rebounding for two minutes the white blood cell count returns to normal.

At this point another two-minute rebound session would increase the demand for white blood cells as the process of cleansing, strengthening, and the flushing away of spent cells and other cancerous debris is repeated. A therapeutic strategy to rebuild health would be to rebound for two minutes every waking hour, or as many times a day as possible. Two minutes of gentle bouncing throughout the day is more effective for healing than one long session. Repeated short sessions help sustain an active immune system, oxygenate and strengthen cells, and continuously cleanse the lymph.

My doctor highly recommends this gentle type of exercise along with daily outdoor walks of at least thirty minutes for his cancer patients. Important to get lots of oxygen. Try to stay relaxed and as stress free as possible since too much stress can compromise one's immune system as can consuming refined sugars, so please be careful of your sugar intake. I personally use stevia or excella as a sugar substitute but I know of others who feel small amounts of honey are beneficial and not harmful.

I hope this information is helpful for you.

Continued good health
Shemay

ChemoMan

Hi Badri

Take it as hard or as easy as you like. There are no restrictions on how vigourously you exercise and exercise will help you ward off a relapse.

You will find some links in this post that should help:
http://cancerforums.net/viewtopic.php?p=61891#61891
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Age 53
Diffuse Large B cell Lymphoma
Stage 2a
Finished six cycles of R chop 21 26th May 2008
Officially in remission 9th July 2008
Remission confirmed 1st October 2008
Remission confirmed 17 June 2009
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Vincera

Hi Badri, welcome back from the trip!
By now you should know that your body is your best ally - listen to it and it will tell you! Both the body and the mind go nuts if we don't challenge them up to their capacity. How do you know what's the limit? Just by doing!
Demand more from your body and mind little by little and if you feel OK and not overly tired or challenged or overwhelmed then you're on the right track. You can always compensate up or down.
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61 y.o M, Diffuse large B cell NHL, stage 3. Lower back. Diagnosed Mid May 09. Completed 6 R-CHOP treatments on 9/8/09. In Remission: 10/19/09

cinnamon · Regular Joined: 02 Nov 2009 Posts: 29

When I asked my Oncologist the same question, after she declared me to be in remission, she said "Full steam ahead and your body will let you know when it's time to rest if it's needed. Otherwise, go do whatever you want to and stay active".

joepet · Senior User Joined: 18 Dec 2008 Posts: 370 Location: Japan

Hi Badri,

While I have no objection to the trampoline advice, I would advise you not to overdo it. I threw out my back once doing something completely innocuous on a trampoline, and it took me nearly a month before I was able to walk upright again!

Maybe before trampoline you could do a daily regimen of free squats for a couple of weeks to strengthen your back muscles a bit. It wouldn't hurt your overall health either.

I should listen to my own advice... Embarassed

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Age 37 (36 at diagnosis)
Diffuse Large B cell Lymphoma
Stage 1AE (localized in colon)
Began six cycles of R chop 21 3rd Dec 2008
Finished R chop 21 Apr 2009
Complete remission as of May 2009

Vincera

[quote="shemay"]
Rebounding on a mini trampoline is perhaps the most efficient and forceful means of flushing the lymph while stimulating the immune system and defending against many ailments. [/quote]

Do you have any references or links about the trampoline technique and benefits and the scientific becakground of these claims? Thank you.
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61 y.o M, Diffuse large B cell NHL, stage 3. Lower back. Diagnosed Mid May 09. Completed 6 R-CHOP treatments on 9/8/09. In Remission: 10/19/09

shemay · Regular Joined: 23 Oct 2009 Posts: 35 Location: Canada

[quote="Vincera"][quote="shemay"]
Rebounding on a mini trampoline is perhaps the most efficient and forceful means of flushing the lymph while stimulating the immune system and defending against many ailments. [/quote]

Do you have any references or links about the trampoline technique and benefits and the scientific becakground of these claims? Thank you.[/quote]

I understand as a new user I am not able to post links. The information I posted came partly from a NASA report on a study done on the use of rebounders. Here is page two of the report with conclusions...
"A scientific study published in the Journal of Applied Physiology 49(5): 881-887, 1980, which confirms many of the statements previously made in The Miracles of Rebound Exercise, 1979. The research was performed by the Biomechanical Research Division, NASA-Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California, in cooperation with the Wenner-Gren Research laboratory, University of Kentucky, Lexington, Kentucky.NASA Rebound Exercise Report, page 2 of 2:

The results of trampoline vs. treadmill study were startling to the scientists but quite frankly, were expected by us at the National Institute of Reboundology and Health, now named the American Institute of Reboundology, Inc. Following are some of the results revealed by this team of scientists from NASA:

1. The G-force measured at the ankle was always more than twice the G-force measured at the back and fore- head while running on a treadmill.

This helps to explain shin splints and knee problems, especially when the natural shock absorbing system of the body becomes so fatigued that it doesn't do its job correctly, thus throwing added unexpected forces on already tired muscles, ligaments, and tendons, forcing them beyond the point of rupture.

2. While jumping on a trampoline, the G-.force was almost the same at all three points, (ankle, back, forehead) and well below the rupture threshold of a normal healthy Individual.

This makes it possible to exercise the entire body knowing that there is no undue pressure applied to any part of the body such as the feet, ankles, and legs, and at the same time knowing that each part of the body is receiving the necessary environmental stresses it needs to become stronger cell by cell.

3. "The external work output at equivalent levels of oxygen uptake was significantly greater while trampolining than running. The greatest difference was about 68% ."

The efficient use of the vertical forces of acceleration and deceleration to produce internal loading by directly opposing the gravitational pull develops more biomechanical work with less energy expended, thus less oxygen used and less demand placed on the heart.

4. While trampolining, as long as the G-force remained below 4-Gs, the ratio of oxygen consumption compared to biomechani- cal conditioning was sometimes more than twice as efficient as treadmill running.

It is Important to note that although this experiment was performed on a trampoline where the participants were able to develop a G-force as high as 8-G's, the efficient use of energy was below 4-G's. People involved in rebound exercise on rebound units have been measured only as high as 3.5-G's, (United States Air Force, Dr. Ward Dean) so that any activity on a rebound unit is more efficient than treadmill running at any speed.

5. With the G-force the same as or greater than 4-G's II ...there was no significant difference in the oxygen uptake between the two regimens."

Even when a person is able to develop a force on the trampoline of more than 4- G's, although it is no more efficient as far as oxygen consumption than running, it is still much better on the lower extremities because all of the cells of the body are still below their rupture threshold providing a safe way to exercise.

6. " ...averting the deconditioning that occurs during the immobilization of bed rest or space flight, due to a lack of gravireceptor stimulation (in addition to other factors), requires an acceleration profile that can be delivered at a relatively low metabolic cost. .for equivalent metabolic cost, and acceleration profile from jumping will provide greater stimuli to gravireceptors."

This statement verifies the fact that rebound exercise is an excellent exercise for our senior citizens, those physically handicapped, those who are recuperating from an accident or injury, or anyone else who needs exercise but is hampered by a preexisting physical condition."

joepet · Senior User Joined: 18 Dec 2008 Posts: 370 Location: Japan

Thusfar I have found one documented case where a trampoline has been of benefit to someone with lymphoma:

http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/hartlepool-mail-england/mi_7845/is_2007_August_13/trampoline-fall-led-cancer/ai_n34753230/
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Age 37 (36 at diagnosis)
Diffuse Large B cell Lymphoma
Stage 1AE (localized in colon)
Began six cycles of R chop 21 3rd Dec 2008
Finished R chop 21 Apr 2009
Complete remission as of May 2009

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