Does Prostasol Work?

Charlie Redd · Regular Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 20 Location: Cocoa, FL

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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:25 am Post subject: Yes Prostosol works

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Yes Prostosol worked exceptionally well for me.

Diagnosed 3 years ago at age 53 with advanced but contained PC the biopsy Gleason score was 4+5 = 9. PSA was 96. MRI and Bone Scan showed no spread beyond the prostate.
I have not done the conventional treatments as my extensive research indicated that they largely did not extend ones life expectancy greatly but often reduced the quality of life significantly. My approach has been to do everything possible to help my immune system and this has mostly worked, with a recent MRI and Bone Scan showing no advance from 3 years ago. The PSA initially went down over the first year or so but then crept up slowly until 1 month ago it was 146.

I month ago I started taking Prostosol, 3x3 caps per day, as part of a treatment regime used by Prof. Dr Klaus Maar in Dusseldorf Germany.
After 1 week my PSA was down to 80, after 2 weeks 17, after 3 weeks 6 and after 4 weeks 0.8 (that's right zero point eight!!!)

I will take a break now from the Prostosol and keep a watch on the PSA, if it starts going up then I will do a maintenance couse of 2x2 caps per day for 2 weeks and then 2 weeks of none - repeated as necessary.

The other treatment in the regime includes localised and whole-body heat treatment (diathermie), intravenous vit C, oxygen carriers and Mistl.

BTW I am a New Zealander and live in NZ, I came across Dr Maar's clinic while on holiday in Germany and then stayed longer to do the treatment.
In a couple of months when my prostate has had a chance to settle down after the heat-treatments I will be doing a follow up MRI -- I will report the results on the forum, I am very hopeful that I will be able to report that the tumour has gone or significantly reduced.

Patrick.

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Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 6:17 am Post subject: Prostasol does "work" but....

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PC-SPES, crinum latifolium and Prostasol all bring down PSA scores, but are any of them a magic bullet for curing/preventing prostate cancer? Remember that PSA is the thermometer, and if you hold an ice cube on the thermometer, it doesn't mean the room gets cold. There are several alternative things to do to increase oxygen and alkalinity in the cells, and help the immune system mop up remaining prostate cancer cells.

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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:30 am Post subject: Does Prostasol Work?

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I have posted on this subject before, and of course the True Believers counseled that I be ignored because I'm a skeptic.

One of the TBs wrote that he obtained his stuff from a "donsback" which I think is a misspelling of the name Kurt Donsbach.

Donsbach is a chiropractor and has a long record of shady and criminal activities.

Searching Quackwatch on his name produces 135 hits in 22 files.

What folks seem to be doing with Prostasol is chasing PSAs. And the PSA score is far from the only prostate cancer (PCa) marker. In fact, it is not specific for PCa at all, though properly used it can alert one to the need for further investigation. Further, aggressive PCa can and sometimes does exist and thrive without expressing much PSA.

I do not expect the TBs to pay attention to the above. I do wish to alert newbies to just another flim flam designed to enrich the purveyors of such stuff.

There is not a shred of reliable scientific evidence that it *cures cancer.* None. Zero.

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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:47 am Post subject: Re: Does Prostasol work?

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SOURCE: apart from the formulation, I do not see that where the "prostosol" is obtained from is necessarily relevant.

PSA: have not previously found anyone who implied that a PSA reduction from 146 to .8 is not a good thing:
eg; that is exactly the result many men undertaking hormone treatment would like.

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Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 2:43 am Post subject: Prostasol

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Dear all
I'm very interested in Prostasol, but a short search on the net showed more than one products under the same name. Their differencies are detected in the ingredients or in the percentage of the ingredients they have in common. Could you please specify either your source of the above mentioned effective Prostasol or it's ingredients? Thanks in advance

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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:45 pm Post subject: Re: Does Prostasol work?

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Hello. My name is Bruce Kopitz. I am a 57 year old married man, father of three. I began experiencing rising PSA in the mid-1990's. Biopsies were unable to confirm cancer, so watchful waiting was recommended. However, it is generally believed that prostate cancer escapes the sheath when it's analogue, the PSA number, rises above 10. My number was approaching 10, so I became very uncomfortable.

I researched options. I didn't want the "Gold Standard" of that time, or prostatectomy, because of the many recorded instances of incontinence, impotence and cancer recurrence. Radiation, at the time, seemed like a Pyrhic exercise. I began using an herbal product called PC-Spes (Spes is Latin for hope). My PSA dropped to below 2 and stayed there. The product was expensive, but it worked, and UNLIKE HORMONE THERAPIES, MOST MEN NEVER - REPEAT NEVER - BECOME REFRACTORY. You may have read a posting here by Steve, I believe. He calls PC-Spes a fraud, apparently without ever taking it. Number One, it worked. Number two, it WAS contaminated, with trace amounts of naturally occurring Warfarin (an FDA controlled substance). Steve claims that the contaminants were the reason it worked. If so, I say take it BECAUSE of the contaminants! However, Warfarin is a blood thinner and has no PSA-reducing potential. Warfarin was NOT the reason PC Spes worked. It worked because the herbal complex (which, interestingly, was developed by court herbalists for the last Mandarin emperor in China) ENABLES YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM TO RECOGNIZE CANCER CELLS, AND TO KILL THEM (apostosis). The effect can be startling. Painful metastatic bone sites are rapidly and progressively debulked and absorbed by the body. CANCER EVERYWHERE EXCEPT INSIDE THE PROSTATE IS DESTROYED. Inside the prostate, according to the best research on these herbs, PC enters into remission or very slow apoptosis. YOU CAN GO ON TO LEAD A NORMAL LIFE, AND DIE FROM SOMETHING ELSE.

The bad news is that the FDA, upon discovery of the Warfarin contaminant, required the immediate withdrawal of PC-Spes from the marketplace (consigning hundreds, if not thousands, of men to their deaths). The GOOD NEWS IS THAT PROSTASOL FROM DR DONSBACK IS A SUPERIOR SUCCESSOR! I know for a variety of anecdotal reasons, aside from available statistics. I used it for 8 years, until and after my successful 22-hour brachytherapy (my PSA is now .2 five years out). My brother drove his 11 PSA down to 1 (then took wide-beam radiation). My father is on it now. An acquaintance named Bob had a PSA of 512 and was becoming refractory to chemotherapy. After one month on Prostasol, his PSA was 212. By the second month his blood count increased to almost normal, forestalling additional transfusions. Both steroid and Procrit therapy were discontinued because they were no longer needed. He is now exercising without pain, has high color and a resurgent attitude. One of the distributors for the product, Paul, had a recurrence of his PC after a radical prostatectomy 22 years ago. He began with PC-Spes, then graduated to Prostasol. His PSA now - 22 years later - is .1.

According to Paul, Doctor Donsback’s formulation works in about 95% of all cases where the immune system is materially intact. On the herbs, you can regain your health and reduce PC to an enfeebled (though ever-present) nemesis. Choose conventional PC chemotherapy first, however, and you will damage or severely compromise your immune system. Prostasol will NOT be an option if your immune system is unhealthy. Your doctor will tell you - on the newest chemo cocktails, mean-time to death is about 21 months.

Note - there are several different formulations of Prostasol on the market, including a European version with which I have no experience. I have used, and know dozens of men who have used Doctor Donsback's Prostasol. You may email me for purchase sources, or buy it on the web. If you try this therapy, call or email Doctor Donsback for dosing instructions. High PSA’s generally begin with 2 to 3 caps 3 times daily, low PSA’s with 1 times 3. Monitor your PSA monthly. Eventually, and gradually, you may tritate down to as few as one cap daily. DON’T JUMP ON AND OFF THE PRODUCT! Some of the few instances of long-term failure have resulted from whipsaw dosing and on-off usage. If you have NOT endured a prostatectomy, you should also purchase Prostaplex, another herbal amendment from Doctor Donsback. Prostaplex assists prostate function, fights benign prostatic hyperplasia and synergizes Prostasol.

On a related note, while you cannot cure cancer by watching your diet, you can tailor your consumption to make your body less hospitable for PC. Controlled studies have shown that 8 ounces of pomegranate juice daily, for example, can lengthen PSA rise times by 100% (add xylitol to counter bitterness, to fight microbes and for bone-and-tooth calcification). Refrain from red and preserved meats and barbecue (carcinogens). Eat whole foods and grains, especially cooked tomatoes. Drink soy milk daily. I use supplements faithfully, especially lycopene, inosital hexophosphate (IP-6), a good multi-vitamin (Twinlabs “2 a day”), and colloidal minerals such as Seasilver. There are reasons to avoid Omega-3 fatty acid supplements, as these may speed PSA rise times – supplement with DHA instead. Of course, if you’re not too sick, take moderate exercise daily.

My prayers are with you!

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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:09 pm Post subject: I don't know what to think ?

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It seems to me that is stuff indeed will cure Prostate cancer, then it would be well known to the medical community.

From what I read, it seems to lower PSA, but then again hormone therapy does also.

Does lowering your PSA mean your cancer is going away? It reads that way. It appears that many have had to have PC treatment after using this "Prostasol" stuff ? That doesn't sound like it curing cancer to me.

I think it's just a herbal form of hormone therapy that will drive your PSA down. But you still have cancer. Maybe it's just not advancing as fast.

Thats just what it appears to me from reading this thread.

Chris

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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Does Prostasol work?

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Chris:

Go back and read the thread again.

I used Prostasol for years, before, during and after a 22-hour brachytherapy (needles cross-sectioned my prostate, and an iridium seed was moved in and out for two hours during the 22). The Prostasol eliminated the disease outside the prostate sheath, and confined it to a remissive state within my prostate (present, but not active). The benefit of Prostasol, as opposed to Lupron or triple-hormone blockade, is that YOU NEVER BECOME REFRACTORY. For example, if you do not like your treatment options at the current time, you can take Prostasol and go on leading a normal life, with your cancer effectively in remission. If you have a treatment, and it fails, you can continue with Prostasol and lead a normal life. If you decide to endure a prostatectomy (a last resort, hopefully), and the cancer returns, current western medicine will offer hormone therapy, to which you will become refractive (it no longer works), and then chemotherapy, which only slows the cancer, and then you die. Instead of chemotherapy (and, I would argue, instead of prostatectomy), try Prostasol. If you are among the majority of men for which it is effective, your PSA will drop to normal levels (meaning your immune system has destroyed the cancer sites outside the prostate sheath), and you can lead a normal, long life.

I hope this helps. Any other questions, feel free to ask. My prayers are with you.

Bruce Kopitz

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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: Does Prostasol work?

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Chris and others:

I noted in some earlier threads that "Men of science", who apparently have never tried Prostasol, claim there is no proof that it can cure cancer. That may be because no one is claiming it can cure cancer. It works like Lupron or triple-hormone blockade, except that YOU NEVER BECOME REFRACTORY! Normal hormone therapy will just stop working. Your cancer and your body will adjust, and enough testosterone will slip through to feed the disease. That doesn't happen with Doctor Donsback's Prostasol (NOTE - there are other products out now with the same name, for which I cannot speak). Prostasol can manage the disease, using the body's immune system to debulk tumors and confine the remissive PC to the prostate. Imagine how important this product is for someone at the end stages of PC! Imagine leading a normal life, instead of dying miserably on chemo. I used Prostasol for years. My father and brother and many acquaintances, ditto. I know one man who has spent 22 years on PC-Spes (the forerunner product) and Prostasol. He had a prostatectomy, and as so often happens, the cancer returned in a more virulent form. He is now more than 80 and in fine health. He would be dead long ago on chemo.

Please, those who have never been required to use the product, do not disparage it. True scientific method requires testing, and there are thousands of us out here who have done just that - with our lives, on Prostasol!

Bruce Kopitz

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Charlie Redd · Regular Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 20 Location: Cocoa, FL

This is a thread that I read the first time I looked at this forum. I put this thread into my favorites because I found it to be very interesting and something I am very interested about.

I have been taking Prostasol for 10 days my PSA fell from23.910 to 3.980. I started taking Prostasol on November 17, 2007.

When I went back to read this thread on the forum and to reply, I was unable to find it.

I then copied it from my favorites and pasted it into tyhe topic again. The answers could be helpful and I thought it would be good to have on this forum.

PatrickH is the original author.

Replicant · Moderator Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 744

As far as Prostasol goes, I would recommend looking up "Dr." Donsbach in QuackWatch.
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Charlie Redd · Regular Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 20 Location: Cocoa, FL

Thanks for the headsup about "Dr." Donsbach, but I have already checked him out and aware of his reputation.

I have also checked our Dr. Ben L. Pfeifer, M.D. Phd, Director for Clinical Research at Aeskulap Cancer Centre, Brunnen, Switzerland. His specialities are anaesthesiology, intensive care and cancer immunology. He is a widely published clinician with 55 publications in peer reviewed medical journals, one book and 56 presented papers at national and international medical conferences. He has been an invited lecturer at the Academy of Sciences in Germany, Russia, USA and Poland. He has honours, including the Humboldt-Prize and the Immunological Research Prize, Florida, USA.

I have also made a copy of Pheifer's Prostate Protocol for hormone refactory prostate cancer. He uses Medpro's Prostasol made in the Netherlands, Europe using ingredients regulated by the Dutch ministry of Health. Medpro's PROSTACOL is made under HACCP, GMP and GNP, and none of its ingedients are tainted with synthetic oestrogens. It is claimed the Medco's PROSTASOL contains a few additional ingredients to make it more effective.

You may also try to find an Article entitled "Lost in cancer maze" that was in TIMESONLINE Dec 10, 2006.

I would give you the link, but I'm not eligible, at this time, as a new user to give out any links. You can probably google these subjects and find them if you are inerested.

I must say, after having read "The China Study" by scientist Colin Campbell Phd. when speaking about "QUAKS" we must also consider our own many Government Agencies and other supposedly legitament "Drs" and the pharmaceutical companies with there well dressed goodlooking women and the companies and their lobbiest for the Dairy, Cattle and Food Industry and our Politicians who fail to tell you the truth about your diet and health. It is all about money, in most of the cases. "The China Study" is an expose' about the above mentioned groups. If you want to find out about the truth, read "The China Study" by this very repected Scientist from Cornell University. I feel very strong about what I learned from this book and from Dr. John McDougall who was referrenced. So strong that after 70 years of being on a SAD, Standard American Diet, I became a vegan.

I didn't mean to get into all of this and will get off of my soapbox but I just had to to let you know that we really have a bunch, from our supposedly legitament groups, that in TRUTH, are "QUAKS". Some because they never got the training about diet but most about the politics and money. e.g. Do you think the surgeons that do expensive open heart surgery want you to know about being able to reverse your heart disease with a proper plant based diet? I think not, in the majoroty of cases.

This dagum PCa is a very complex disease and I certainly am trying to do my best in finding a treatment and diet that will give me a longer life. I don't claim that PROSTASOL is a "magic bullet" but it has brought my PSA down from 23.910 to 3.980 in 10 days. I'm certainly not saying it is a cure. I have been on the ADT, Lupron and Casodex, twice after my EBRT and Brachytherapy. I don't like it and if I can find something else that will accomplish the same results with more tolerable side effects, I want the alternative. My Dr. of almost 8 years is world reknowed and even treated the well respected Dr. Charles "Snuffy" Myers aqbout a year before I got my treatment. My Dr. doesn't know, yet, that I am using PROSTASOL. I expect my PSA will be down to zero by Dec. 4th and then I plan to get blood work to include CBC/platelets, testosterone, liver function panel and prolactin PSA&PAP. Alos, the creatinine, calcium, bone specific alkaline phosphatase & 25hydrxyvitamin D.

As I said this disease is very complex with a lot of unkmowns and I'm not sure what all of these tests tell us but am confident that my Dr. knows why he needs the results of these test. I do really like Dr. Dattoli and have a lot of respect for him but my PCa has had a chemical failure, after my treatment, and my PSA started climbing to the point where I started on ADT for the first time in 2003. Thanks again for your reply, Replicant.

Prayers For Us All,

Charlie

russmcarthur · New User Joined: 20 Jul 2006 Posts: 2

I had the same experience as Charlie, but with one difference. I used Donsbach's prostasol with limited and unstable results. I went from 9.6 to 6, then back up to 8.5. I discontinued and it moved up to around 10. I happened across the European prostasol that comes out of Holland. What a remarkable difference. I went from 10 PSA to .2 in three months!

You can find the European prostasol at ReallyHealthy.com

Believe me, this works.

Russ

Replicant · Moderator Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 744

I created a custom Google search engine for PCa and put it on my blog (referenced in my signature). I put in "prostasol" and got a very interesting page back from the American Cancer Society. The page is mainly addressing PC-SPES, but also talks about Prostasol and other herbal medicines.

Key points:
*Production of PC-SPES was stopped after it was found to be contaminated by prescription drugs (others have noted this before on this board).
*Before production was stopped, PC-SPES was beginning to be accepted by some prostate specialists. A clinical trial comparing PC-SPES to DES showed that PC-SPES was more effective and caused fewer blood clots.
*PC-SPES, and by inference Prostasol and the other products, seem to work because some ingredients act as phytoestrogens (estrogen-like substances found in plants). PCa can be slowed by estrogen.
*Products sold as dietary supplements--like Prostasol--in the United States, are not subject to the rigor that applies to drugs. As long as the manufacturer does not claim the supplement cures, prevents, or treats a specific illness, the manufacturer does not have to prove the supplement is safe or effective. Therefore--consumers have only the word of the manufacturer that the product is standardized, contains what it says it does, and is uncontaminated. "Side effects associated with the use of PC-SPES included increased breast size and nipple tenderness or pain, and a reduced sex drive (libido). There was also an increased risk of developing blood clots, which are potentially fatal. Since PC-HOPE, Prostasol, and PC-CARE are reported to be quite similar to PC-SPES, side effects may also be similar."

Bottom line--I don't think I would buy anything from Donsbach, and I don't think I would take this unless conventional treatments were failing. However, I am less cynical than before in regards to these supplements after reading the ACS page.

Charlie Redd · Regular Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 20 Location: Cocoa, FL

Thanks Russ and Replicant for your replies. Russ, are you using the Dr. Pfeifer's Protocol or regimen? I'm so happy that you told me I could order from Really Healthy Co. They have the Prostasol and the other products that Dr. Pfeifer uses in his protocol. You can find an abundance of info about him and tests he has conducted using his protocol. You can find this at this link: http://clearfeed.com/pfeifer/prostate-cancer.html
Also an interesting article from TIMESONLINE
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article661305.ece?token=null&print=yes...
Replicant, here is what Dr. Pfeifer says about the rumors... that Prostasol works because of estrogenic contamination

"There are a few individuals and organizations putting out disinformation that Prostasol works because it is contaminated with estrogenic compounds. (A few years back there was a Chinese herb prostate formula called Pc-spes THAT WAS CONTAMINATED IN THIS WAY.) MEDPRO PROSTASOL IS MANUFACTURED IN HOLLAND UNDER THE VERY STRICT STANDARDS OF GDP, GMP AND HACCP, AND THIS ENSURES THAT THERE IS NO ESTROGENIC CONTAMINATION. In fact, Dr. Pfeifer himself, aware of this possibility, organized for Medpro Prostasol to be tested independently in a Swiss lab, and the results are negative contamination.

PLEASE NOTE, HOWEVER, THAT THIS ASSURANCE ONLY APPLIES TO THE MEDPRO VERSION OF PROSTASOL AND NOT TO ANY OTHER PRODUCT BEARING THIS NAME.

I have not yet used the Prostasol from Europe but my puchase to date has only been two bottles manufactured in Mexico and formulated by Dr. Donsbach. I feel much better about trying the Prostasol that Dr. Pfeifer has formulated and uses. Well, It's now 1:20 AM in Cocoa, Florida...time for me to hit the sack.

May God Bless,

Charlie

Replicant · Moderator Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 744

So the European version by Pfeifer is okay, but the stuff by Donsbach is not? What is this stuff made of? How does it work?

The contamination came from estrogens and not rat killer?

Are not Donsbach and Pfeiffer "co-developers" of Prostasol? Does Pfeifer not know about Donsbach's shenanigans? Pfeifer himself seems to say that there is no difference in the formulations, according to what I've read on Yahoo discussion boards (including emails from Pfeifer).

Charlie:
As to the TimesOnline article you mentioned, I read it with some interest and noted that on page 4, it appears that Prostasol DOES contain estrogen-like substances. "None of his 10 patients had suffered any side effects beyond, in one case, a slight swelling of the nipples caused by the oestrogens."

Also, at the bottom of the article, you will see that the author (Al Smith) started his own website to keep readers updated. When you go to that website, you will see that Prostasol did not save Mr. Smith. He died at the end of May this year. I know that this is just one case, but it does add a certain ominous coda to the saga.

Charlie Redd · Regular Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 20 Location: Cocoa, FL

Replicant, thanks for your response.
Let me say first, there are no claims that Prostasol cures PCa. Next, I didn't say that Pfeifer's version is OKAY but Donsbach's is not. In fact, Donsbach's version is all I have used and it has worked...as far as lowering my PSA.
Nov. 8, 2007 PSA my PSA was 23.91
Nov. 17th started Prostasol 4 per day
Nov. 20th 3days after starting...PSA 12.39
Nov. 27th 10 days after starting...PSA down to 3.98
Nov. 30th reduced dose to 2 per day
Dec. 4th 17 days after starting...PSA down to 1.97
Dec 11th 24 days after starting...PSA down to 0.89

What does this mean? Who really knows? It is doing what the Lupron and casodex has done but with fewer side effects, so far. The cost is much less...big time. The Lupron injection alone has a price tag of about $2,000 for 3 months...over a nine month period this alone cost about $6,000.

What is Prostasol made of? You can find the ingredients at the website that Russ gave. www.reallyhealthy.com . There is a big difference when you compare the ingredients.

How does it work? I don't know. Dr. Pfeifer, a medical doctor, urologist and cancer therapist with 30 years experience in the United States and at the Aeskulap Cancer Centre in Switzerland, uses a protocol of four different products. Check it out at:
http://www.prostatecancernow.org/Treatments_new.html

Co-developers? I have a copy of the e-mail that says they are codevelopers. I question the authenticity of this. I don't believe this is true. If you see the difference in the ingredientsyou can see why I have my doubts.

Al Smith...I knew about his journey and about his part in Dr. Pfeifer's test. Faith and Al decided to try Dr. Pfeofer's treatment shortly after hearing him in Oct. 2005. His PSA had been up to as high as 1000 prior to this time and he had been on zolodex and casodex prior to Dr. Pfeifer, I believe. He did have good results in lowering his PSA under Dr Pfeifer along with encouraging results but finally succumed to this dreadful disease.

Another interesting and encouraging story is about Ken Jones. You can read his story and get more info about Dr. Pfeifer which should convince you that he is not a "Quack", on the following link:

http://www.canceractive.com/page.php?n=1535&style-print

It's late again in Cocoa, Florida...1:45 AM. Need to go to bed...goodnight and

God Bless,

Charlie

brainman · Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 9:31 am Post subject: Re: Does Prostasol Work?

Just have to remind you that PSA level has not been shown to have a direct correlation with the grade of the cancer, that is, a man can have a very high PSA with a low grader PC or a very low PSA with a very aggressive PC. I am sure that there are ways to lower the PSA, but that does not necessarily translate into a reduction in the cancer itself. PSA is only an indicator pointing to the presence of cancer cells from the Prostate.
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Charlie Redd · Regular Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 20 Location: Cocoa, FL

Thanks for your response, Brainman. I am fully aware that bringing down the PSA is not a cure all for the PCa. I hope I did not imply or say that bringing down the PSA level has anything to do with the grade of the cancer. I have been on the conventional or standard Hormone therapy for two different nine month treatments. The goal was to bring my PSA down which was the result of my testosterone coming way down. It is claimes that the cancer cells feed on the testosterone and causes faster progression of cancer cells. Who knows for certain Confused

with this complex disease. When I said Prostasol works...I mean only that it has brought my PSA level down. I'm in hopes that this will slow down any growth of my PCa. Jim, I do understand that a man with a low PSA or normal range of PSA can still have PCa. If the Prostasol can accomplish what the Lupron and casodex was accomplishing but with less side effects and a better quality of life, then I'm all for the Prostasol. I understand that most of the PCa specialist are not believers in the Prostasol and I'm not totally convinced that it is the best course of action to follow. I personally believe that proper diet and the vegan lifestyle is probably the best treatment we can give ourselves. Anyway, thanks for your concern Smile

and reminder.

God Bless,

Charlie

bruce kopitz · Regular Joined: 07 Sep 2007 Posts: 10

CHARLIE AND OTHERS INTERESTED IN PROSTASOL:

I am only familiar with Dr Donsback's formula. I used it for years. My father has been on it for about 5 years. My brother used it to get his PC under control before radiation. No significant negative side effects (slight reduced libido and possibility of breast swelling or tenderness). PSA held to 2 and below. These are only my relatives. I know of many other men who have used this product successfully.

The issue is whether Prostasol and similar herbal regimes are simply masking symptoms, and the user is meanwhile getting sicker. On the contrary, I have seen men debilitated with PC tumors in the back and joints take Prostasol and HAVE ALL OF THEIR TUMORS OUTSIDE OF THE PROSTATE DEBULKED. Their activated immune systems recognized the cancer and removed the tumors (again, outside of the prostate only - those inside the prostate shrink slowly, but do not fully disappear). These men resumed exercise and all other normal activities. The very slight symptoms of early-stage PC also disappeared, such as urination urgency and constant feeling of bladder fullness.

I want everyone who posts here to consider the plight of men who have experienced prostatectomy, and who have then experienced a renewal of their PC. Hormone therapy will only work for them for about 18 months. The newest chemo regimes provide a mean time to death of about 21 months. That's less than 3 years to death, and the patient will be unhealthy, unhappy and unproductive for about 1/2 of that time. On the other hand, I personally know of a man whose cancer returned after a prostatectomy, and who has lived a wonderful life on Prostasol (and the predecessor products including PC-Spes) FOR 22 YEARS. HIS CURRENT PSA IS .2. HE HAS NO - ZERO - PC SYMPTOMS. HE CONTINUES TO BE A WONDERFUL HUSBAND TO HIS WIFE AND FATHER TO HIS CHILDREN. He is not alone - there are thousands of users with similar success stories.

Before anyone dismisses this therapy, without ever using it or knowing someone who has, think about the men you are steering toward chemo - and nearly-certain death - with your generalizations and close-mindedness.

Listen to the users. Singly, we are anecdotes. Collectively, we are proof.

Bruce Kopitz

chris nz · Regular Joined: 25 Jun 2006 Posts: 15

Hi fellow Prostasol users.I have been using P for 3.5 years, My PSA is currently 2 using 4 P per week. {refer 'is it time to bite the bullet?'} I periodically go through times of self doubt when I am faced with conflicting information about the efficacy of long term use of P. The last onco I saw said 'carry-on, come back in 10 years'. I am still in a quandary. best wishes chris
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Charlie Redd · Regular Joined: 29 Nov 2007 Posts: 20 Location: Cocoa, FL

Bruce and Chris, I really appreciate Smile

you sharing your experiences with Prostasol with us. My last PSA was down to 0.69 and I'm now taking only one capsule daily. Breasts and nipples have enlarged Laughing

with tenderness. I have noticed no other side effects, at this point. I'll check PSA next week and if it is down even lower, I will reduce dosage to one every other day. Then, see how that works.

You Guys have made my Christmas even happier Very Happy

. Merry Chistmas, Happy Hannika and what ever you prefer but THANKS and

God Bless,

Charlie

Joe Hutt · Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: "Prostasol" it works for me

Take the time to read it all, more to find out what not to do ,rather than what to do.

How did I know I had Prostate cancer? it is possible that I did not have any of the usual symptoms as it was found out later after the operation that was to follow, that my prostate was only 19 grams and it was considered small at my age of 67, in ones at 70s a maximum weight of 31 grams would be expected.

I originally found out back in June 1998 by a blood test, the PSA 4 and the routine examination, the digital rectal exam, which seemed to be normal. A normal prostate usually feels firm, so I did not go back to have another test until 2005,
This time abnormalities were found, then a blood test to measure my PSA, which turned out to be 10 the doctor arranged for me to see a specialist who order and schedule a prostate biopsy. He did not discuss the ins and outs or the possible side affects and what was to show up later.

(To bad if you are part of that 3 to 4 percent, In my case I was not given and enema and when I asked why not, I was, told that they considered it not necessary, that the Antibiotics that had been prescribed to me, was all that was needed----- how wrong that turned out to be, the infection I received turned out to be resistant what they had prescribed and I ended up in hospital for a week with blood poisoning â€œsepticaemiaâ€) My PSA at that time was 10 and prior to the biopsy the cancer was confined to the Prostate, but not after. The septicaemia made the operation not possible for three months, until the septicaemia was clear of my system, by that time my Gleason score had jumped from moderately aggressive 3+4=7 to highly aggressive 4+4 =8 and was now not confined to the Prostate and who knows what my PSA was just before my operation.
Having lost total confidence in the Urologist ( I went to St Vincent's Clinic Sydney Australia to have my Prostate removed by robotic surgery preformed with the da Vinci robot by Associate Professor Phillip D Stricker Because of the previous complications I was in theatre for seven hours and four hours in recovery, this length of time is not normal and was caused by the botched Biopsy (There was not a da Vinci robot in NZ at this time, there is now, in Wellington NZ)
I had, and still have complete confidence in Associate Professor Phillip D Stricker. My stay at St Vincent's Clinic Sydney Australia was five star plus.

REPORT from Professor Stricker is as follows
I preformed a robical prostatectomy using the da Vinci robot today Friday 16 February 2007 on Mr H at ST. Vincent's.
INDICATION: Intermediate risk prostate cancer Gleason 3+4=7; T2a; PSA 10
PROCEDURE: With the use of six ports I performed an exploration of the abdominal contents. There was a very small prostate weighing 16g and remarkably tiny seminal vesicles, presumably due to fibrosis after a seminal vesiculitis. I preformed a total removal of the prostate and seminal vesicles. Careful attention was given to preserve the right neurovascular bundle, but some of the left neurovascular bundle was sacrificed, particularly at the left base, due to the extent of tumour. The bladder neck was preserved and there was an excellent urethral stump. A continuous running suture was used as per the robotic technique. This was watertight. Blood loss was 300mls.
CONCLUSION: Partial nerve-sparing robotic radical prostatectomy for localised cancer.
FOLLOW - UP: I would expect Mr H to be in hospital for 2 - 3 days, with the catheter in for 7 days. (This is what happened) Any further management, which is hopefully unlikely, would be dictated by the histo-pathology for localised cancer.
The final histo-pathology confirmed a Gleason 4+4=8 tumour with focal capsular penetration and a focal positive margin.
I have explained to Mr H that, given his extra - capsular disease and positive margin, I think he would be extremely wise, at his age (67) and with his Gleason Score, to have adjuvant radiotherapy, He should wait until his urinary control is perfect and at least three months have elapsed after the procedure. At six weeks after the procedure he should have a PSA test, to check whether this has come down to negligible levels.
Four weeks after arriving back home in NZ I had a PSA done, 1.6 and two weeks later had another done PSA 1.4 at least it was coming down, but the indications were, because the PSA had not returned to a negligible level?? 0.2 It was suggested there may be some cancer still in the area.

This was followed up with a MRI Pelvis &Axial spine scan on the 01 May 2007
TECHNIQUE: Sagittal T1 of the CTL spine.
Axial T2 and 3D T1 for lymph nodes through the prostate bed.
FINDINGS:
Total prostatectomy noted with a row of metallic staples seen in the apical region.
Indeed there are bilateral nodules of isointense tissue remaining, (â€œisointenseâ€ having the same intensity as another object. Used to describe the results of imaging tests, such as x-rays, MRIs, or CT scans) projected just anterior to the seminal vesicices, well seen in the sagittal view, (Not quite sure what this means as according to Professor Stricker he removed the seminal vesicices.) present on both sides of the middle but more so on the right. These merge imperceptibly with the bladder base and cannot be differentiated from residual prostate tissue here. The nodule in question on the right measures about 14mm in diameter and on the left about 9mm. how much of this is actual tumour and cannot be determined but its all isointense.
Separate to this no other abnormality is seen apart from obviously the postoperative change.
Small bilateral inguinal hernias are present. No pathologically enlarged pelvic lymph nodes are identified.
T1 weighted images of the bones of the pelvis and vertebral bodies of the CTL Spine all appear normal with no evidence to suggest bony metastatic disease.
CONCLUSION: An indeterminate isointense tumour nodule is seen one each side of the midline in the base of the prostate bed, projected between the seminal vesicles and the operative site at the base of the bladder.
My partner rang Dr G D the Radiologist and asked if what he was reporting, was it cancer? His answer was no they could be just flaps left over from the operation he was just reporting what he saw.
I then was contacted by the Oncology Department Waikato hospital for an appointment 07 May 2007 with Dr M T.
Professor Stricker had phoned Dr M T and had a long conversation on what he had done in the operation suggesting being on the safe side I should have the adjuvant radiotherapy, but I was not going to allow Dr M T to use what I would call a shotgun approach, I said I was going to try something else for a month to six weeks, Dr M T, strongly advised against it.
I don't want any one to think that Dr M T or Professor Stricker at any time did not have my best interests at heart, it was that I just wanted to try something else, after reading that adjuvant radiotherapy was not that selective and can destroy good tissue as well as the cancer, if it was still there??? So I decide to give Mother Nature a go, with a little help from some natural products. As suggested by Jim of P/North NZ
The something else is the Phytotherapy and Immune System Support for Prostate Cancer Patients by
Ben L. Pfeifer, M.D.,
I had been on the protocol and The phytonutrient components are: ProstaSol, Curcumin Complex, Biobran and the orthomolecular combination product was Imupros the results to date after the first month my PSA down to 0.2 and two weeks later my PSA is 0.1 the dosage was ProstaSol 3x3 Curcumin 3x1,Imupros 3x1 each day and one bio Bran 1000
My local GP has set up regular testing each month for the next twelve months I am feeling much better and will keep you all posted. My GP was not for or against what I was proposing, but was prepared to help me keep an eye on my PSA with the regular testing.
Update 25July 07
Well a lot has happened; I ended up back in hospital on 01.07.2007 this time in Thames with extensive PE (Pulmonary Embolism) â€œBlood clots in the lungsâ€ and because of the medication that was needed to control this latest condition PE, I stopped taking Ben L. Pfeifer protocol, I felt this was the best thing to do in the circumstance, scary, yes, very scary, considering I had my PSA under control, and was on 2 mgs of Warfarin each day, and what of my PSA, well I have been off the protocol for a little over month and my PSA is now < 0.1 Yes ( less than 0.1),Looking good, so I am going to continue to have my PSA tested every month and if it goes up I will start taking the Protocol again, most likely at a much reduced rate, say ProstaSol 2, Curcumin 2, Imupros 2, and one bio Bran 1000 each day
It was my decision to stop the Ben L. Pfeifer protocol and at no time did any of the doctors suggest I should or should not to continue.
Up date 31 July 2007.
I have been back and forth from Whangamata Medical Centre to the Thames hospital trying to get my Prothrombin Ratio I.N.R between 2 to 4,it has been as high 6.6 and as low as 1.2,it is 1.7 at the moment, and should be at 2+ at my next blood test I hope, I am on 5mg of Warfarin at the moment with injections of 120mg of Clexane (a low molecular weight heparin)
What is my PSA? Well it's gone up from < 0.1 to 0.4, the increase points that the cancer is still there. I will start taking one 915mg of the ProstaSol again each day. With what ever dose of Warfarin is prescribed to control my I.N.R
Having a blood test on Wednesday 1st August 07. That result was INR 1.8
Blood test 6/8/2007 Result INR 2.7
Blood test 13/8/2007Result INR 3.3
I am back on 915 mgs of the ProstaSol to control my PSA
After one month on 915mg of ProstaSol my PSA has gone down to 0.2 and an additional test was done on the 6th of September 07 for an INR and PSA test. The results INR 3.7 so there is a change in my dosage of Warfarin to 5mg to 6mg on alterative days starting 10th September 07 and my PSA is down to 0.1 so the ProstaSol is keeping the cancer under control again.

In hindsight I would not have had the biopsy or the operation to remove my prostate, if I had known about ProstaSol.
But If any of you out there decide have to have a Trans-rectal needle biopsy, as a safety net it would be prudent to always do a modified bowel preparation with povidone-iodine for the prostate biopsy , not just relying on antibiotics that may or may not work as the only line of defense. Infection at this time causes all sorts of problems for treatment in the future, making the complete removal of the Prostate, if that is required, extremely difficult as was in my case.

September 2009
So where am I now, obviously I am still alive and have reached 70 this October with a PSA 0.08 having reduced my Prostasol to 228mg or a Â¼ of the 915mg tablet each day along with 100mg of Asprin. How do I feel good, go fishing,get tired, but that's expected I suppose at my age.
Taking a small dose each day I have found better than one tablet every four days keeping con-stance amount in the old body.

How long and how often does the all blood get replaced in the body with new blood
Joe
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