Pepper cured my prostate cancer !!

corynski

Haydnlover et al

Most interesting, as I am about your age and in similar straits. Unfortunately my taste for hot foods has dropped off over the years, and I've become an arch skeptic, so this regime could test both my body and mind.

You can see below how my PSA is now rising in an exponential manner which seems characteristic of exploding biological growth. My research has suggested Proton Beam as most appropriate for me, but the philosopher in me hesitates. I do recall that Dr. Walsh says in his book that biopsy cores are a very, very small percentage of total prostate volume, and also he states that from pathology reports there is an average of 7 cancerous focal points on the removed glands. There is certainly room for doubt all around. In your case I think I would get some more PSA data and another biopsy. And continue the pepper.

I see my urologist next Thur and I'll run your comments by him for some input. I remember reading Andy Grove in 1995 or so, and wondered then what I may be getting into, but knowing I'd pursue it 100% once I got started.

Keep up the good work, everyone!

charley/70/east tennessee

Pre-Diagnostic PSA record, begun 1995 at age 58..... now 70:
1995 - 1.2, 1997 - 1.7, 1998 - 1.4, 1999 - 1.7, 2000 - 3.4, 2001 - 2.0,
2002 - 4.6 on 6/6, 4.1 on 7/24, 3.5 on 10/1 at urologist's office
2003 - 2.3, 2004 - 2.7, 2005 - 3.2 on 7/15, 2006 - no test????
2007 - 5.8 on 2/5, 5.7 on 6/16
2008 - 10.4 on 2/29, 8.8 on 4/21 --- Scheduled biopsy for 5/6/2008. On a graph, the PSA rise looks exponential, i.e. a growth function.
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5/22/2008 -- Results of biopsy
4 of 12 cores show adenocarcinoma:
LLM - Gleason 3+3=6, PTI=10%, LM - Gleason 3+3=6, PTI=2%
LLA - Gleason 3+4=7, PTI=25%, LA - Gleason 3+3=6, PTI=20%
Clinical Stage: T2a
Comments:
RLB - There is focal acute prostatitis
LLM - There is focal perineural invasion
LLA - There is focal perineural invasion
Partin Table:
OC - 33%, CP - 52%, SV+ -10%, LN - 4%
No treatment selected yet.....

acedave3 · Regular Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 28

As promised in my earlier posts I received my PSA and the reading was .84, down from 1.5. My initial reading was 12 before Hormone and radiation.
Is the lower reading because of my taking Ceyenne pepper?? Who knows!!??. What I do know, is that I will continue to take my pepper capsules.
My best to all! Dave

hmcgloth · Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: Pepper Experiment

I started taking pepper capsules when I first read about it here. I've been taking it for 3 or 4 weeks now. The first bottle were 40000 STU, I got a new bottle today that are 100000 Scoville units, so I'm movin'on up! This is to be supplemental to (hopefully) Proton Therapy. Hopefully, because my med records were faxed to UFPTI in Jacksonville last week, and I'm currently waiting for a call from them with an appointment.
Howard

camedia · New User Joined: 18 Sep 2008 Posts: 5 Location: California

I have been reading this forum for months since my dad's prostate cancer got worse. This forum was the first link I saw when googling "prostate cancer forum."

After reading this thread, I thought about suggesting my dad to try these pepper capsules until my further search found the post below in another cancer forum on healingwell.com. I am glad I didn't ask him to do that. He has radiation proctitis and hemorrhoids. Taking this "cancer cure" will most likely make his bleeding worse. He doesn't need more suffering than bone aches and the side effects of chemo.

The original poster also posted this on many websites. I was going to let the thread die, but since someone is trying to revive it, I think I need to give my two cents.

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[quote]There was an event about that here. I was the moderator that had the "pepper posters" booted here. Now that I am not a moderator I can lend my unofficial two cents worth. On a hunch, I did some background checking. The 'urologist' was booted from here shortly before he was charged in an unrelated event (multiple charges). That doesn't sound like my urologist. He, and the original poster jackcc seems to refer to appeared teamed up, at several sites, and they both disappeared on the blogs at the end of March. BTW the urologist was starting a supplements company as he stated at his "personal" blog, that also stopped at this timeframe. If you search that urologist's name or that urology center he worked at, and search virtually any other urologists or centers that you know are valid, you have to wonder why he has no presence other than his own site. If I search my urologists, oncologists, or surgeons, some of the searches result in hundreds of pages of info about them.

It caused such a stir, in some PC forums ~ this one included, that I decided to write the authors of the study commonly referred to. The study was by UCLA and Cedars-Sinai in Los Angeles. It was only in rats. Capsaicin was not consumed in pill or edible form but rather processed carefully and injected to avoid digestive track damage and deliver the full effects. And it was in rats. There were side effects in the study, it has not been approved for use in humans by the FDA. There is some talk about it becoming a study, but the early returns are that it is not effective as other treatment options to slow PC cancer growth. I believe you are reading about an individual who claimed to have been cured by capsaicin because his PSA dropped a few decimal points. All I can say is "Huh"?

Nothing taboo about it jackcc. They were booted off several sites for a good reason. You can do your own homework.

Personally, I am very glad I had these two booted before anyone here started slamming this unproven and potentially dangerous supplement.

Tony[/quote]

hmcgloth

Thanks for the heads up. I had asked my uoligist about it before I tried it, and he said he was aware that capsaicin studies showed promise, so I decided to give it a go.
Howard

acedave3 · Regular Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 28

Further to my earlier posts on this forum my PSA started at 12, then went to 1.5 to .45 and today it went to 0.7. This is after radiation and hormone therapy. I stated to take ceyenne pepper capsules after the treatment and am very encouraged by the results
to date, To what extend the ceyenne capsules has helped is anyones guess, but I will continue to take a capsule every day.
I am not suggesting this is the end all for this cursed disease, but it might offer sone encouragment to those who have experianced a similar shock and hopelessness when first diagonosed.
God bless you all and the very best in your treatment. Dave

Hawk · Senior User Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 424

As you say, it is impossible to know what if any impact the Capsaicin played since you also had radiation, and hormone therapy.

While research SEEMS to confirm that capsaicin speeds up PCa cell death in test tube and mouse models, the following quote raises a question in my mind. Is this suggesting it DIRECTLY limits the production of the PSA marker for cancer???

quote from http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-03/aafc-pch031306.php
The hot pepper component also reduced cancer cell production of PSA, a protein that often is produced in high quantities by prostate tumors and can signal the presence of prostate cancer in men. PSA content in the blood of men is used as a diagnostic prostate cancer screening measure. PSA is regulated by androgens, and capsaicin limited androgen-induced increases of PSA in the cancer cell lines.
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History: PSA's 6.7 neg. biopsy - PSA 16.6 neg. biopsy - PSA's 8.2, 8.1, 8.7 - Biopsy. 4+4 Gleason 8. Lap RP Apr 2004, age 52 All neg margins, nodes, and structures. (T2a). Post RP PSA: every 6 mo. <.1 until Feb, 08 (46 mos) PSA .1 - I then got sensitive tests (all in 2008) showing:
Feb .06, May .09, Jun .10, Aug .10, Nov .15 -SRT

acedave3 · Regular Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 28

[quote="HaydnLover"]In April 2006 I was diagnosed with prostate cancer after a biopsy - Gleason score 6(3+3). I was strongly urged to have the prostate removed immediately. I refused & starting doing research. I found a Cedars-Sinai Medical Center/UCLA School of Medicine study that said that capsaicin (the stuff that makes pepper hot) fed to rats bred to have human prostate cancer had caused the tumors to die! (I put a link here to the study report but it has been removed by the admin - search for "prostate cancer study" & you will find it)

I immediately started taking cayenne pepper capsules daily. I took the equivalent human dose from the study, doubled that & made that my goal. I gradually consumed more each week until I reached what I thought was the right dose. I had improved symptoms within the first two weeks - urination was easier - I had not been able to reach orgasm at the time of diagnosis but that too improved & is still improving.

Well as indicated in my previous posts, I am still taking pepper capsules and my results continue to improve.
I was curious as to how your results are coming and would appreciate an update, if possible.
Thanks, Dave

Last month I decided to see a urologist to see what was involved in "Watchful Waiting" - he wanted to do another biopsy since it had been two years - I agreed & the results came back clean - they found no cancer - not a trace! My doctor was stunned & said that in 18 years he had never seen such a result. We had it double checked & I am indeed cancer free.

I am confident it was the cayenne that made the tumor disappear - given the study results.

I plan to keep taking it indefinitely & I recommend it to any male who has been diagnosed with either BPH or prostate cancer.[/quote]

hmcgloth

acedave3: What's your point posting HaydnLover's quote from March? Howard

acedave3 · Regular Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 28

OK, my question to Haydnlover got placed halfway in the middle of his quotation by mistake,( sorry for confusion), but here it is again.
As indicated on my previous posts I have been using the pepper capsules for sometime now and my results hve been improving. My PSA is now .07 and I have no idea if this is because of the pepper or not. I was curious how Haydnlover is doing ,and what his most recent tests have shown, since it has been some time since I have heard from him.

Hawk · Senior User Joined: 22 Nov 2006 Posts: 424

Being the eternal skeptic I always want the hard evidence. It is not in any way intended to diminish anyone else's posts or to discourage anyone from trying adjunct solutions to fighting PCa.

The pepper information seems a bit to simplistic to me for a disease that is adaptable enough to thwart every chemo and hormone suppression treatment it encounters, not to mention vaccines etc.

I am however interested and open minded.

Acedave3, If I understand correctly you had radiation. I think one would expect consecutive psa reductions after radiation treatment of a prostate. I realize you acknowledge this, I am just emphasizing that point. The problem is that we cannot do controlled trials. All we can do is throw these possible adjunct treatments in on top of our conventional treatments and we never know what impact they had. I am in fact up to doing the same thing but I doubt it will add to our knowledge. It is a shame there is not a well designed large human trial, especially since the pepper is unlikely to have any adverse affects.
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History: PSA's 6.7 neg. biopsy - PSA 16.6 neg. biopsy - PSA's 8.2, 8.1, 8.7 - Biopsy. 4+4 Gleason 8. Lap RP Apr 2004, age 52 All neg margins, nodes, and structures. (T2a). Post RP PSA: every 6 mo. <.1 until Feb, 08 (46 mos) PSA .1 - I then got sensitive tests (all in 2008) showing:
Feb .06, May .09, Jun .10, Aug .10, Nov .15 -SRT

acedave3 · Regular Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 28

Hawk, I agree with everything you have said.
Only our Higher Power knows for sure, so living life to the fullest, and showing strength to others, is my motto.
Dave

Joe Hutt · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 5:09 am Post subject: Bring on the hot stuff

If as you have reported is correct and I am not suggesting what you have applied to yourself is not correct and the results for you are positive, I would suggest that if for us that have had our prostate removed by whatever means and have residual cancers left no matter how small, taking cayenne pepper capsules daily could possibly cleanup what’s left???
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norseman4711 · New User Joined: 17 Dec 2009 Posts: 4

I am in the process of discovering whether or not I have prostate cancer (biopsy done last week, awaiting results).

Has anyone followed up on these studies of cayenne pepper (capsacium) at this site?

There now appear to be studies done by UCLA/Cedar Sinai, University of Pittsburgh and the University of Nottingham that I can find online but this information is very limited.

I also read that Don Imus, the radio personality, has been taking pepper supplements as well and his prognosis is good...

Has anyone else had success on this site?

Thanks!

Replicant · Moderator Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 851

Haven't been following it, but searching PubMed for "capsaicin and prostate cancer" shows a couple of 2009 papers from Italy and Spain, as well as articles from 2007 and older.

PubMed also shows plenty of recent research on capsaicin on other cancers--bladder, colon, breast, lung, liver, and stomach.

I would guess that we have not seen the end of research on this subject.

Note the spelling of "capsaicin"
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Dx Feb 2006, PSA 9 @age 43
RRP Apr 2006 - Gleason 3+4, T2c, NXMX, pos margins
PSA 5/06 <0.1, 8/06 0.2, 12/06 0.6, 1/07 0.7.
Salvage radiation (IMRT) total dose 70.2 Gy, Jan-Mar 2007@ age 44
PSA 6/07 0.1, 9/07 (and thereafter) <0.1
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