Pepper cured my prostate cancer !!

goruck · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: first capsule

haydn,

after doing some basic research,
you will be excited to know that i took my first 40,000 heat unit capsule last night before dinner.

now the reason i am doing this is two fold.
there seems to be reasonable evidence regarding hypoglycemic properties and my own blood sugars are a bit high, so this is the main reason.

secondly, at some point, if the research is profound or convincing enough and I inform my patients about this as a veritable possibility, then I would like to know what the effects of 2-3 capsules are on my own alimentary tract.

will let you know.
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HaydnLover · Regular Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 12 Location: Florida

George, I am delighted to hear that you have started a pepper regimen.

Since you didn't mention any distress from the 40,000 cap I'll assume you did not experience any negative effects.

Please keep us posted on your experience using this great stuff.

Remember, if you increase your dosage too fast for your body you may experience soft stools or light diarrhea with resultant burning sensation - if that happens just back off on the added dose until it clears & then resume. Your body will adjust. One of the first indications you will get that the capsaicin is there is a slight tingling in the corner of your eyes - This is good - it means the capsaicin is permeating every cell in your body & some is being excreted in your tears.

If you listen to your body very closely I suspect you will notice some positive effects soon.
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2008 biopsy - no cancer

goruck · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:33 pm Post subject: thanks

I will slowly move up in dose.
I will keep you informed here.

gr
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brainman

I am interested in what is is actually doing: Killing cancer cells or reducing PSA or both.
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HaydnLover · Regular Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 12 Location: Florida

Brainman,

If you read the study or the recap, you will find that what the capsaicin is actually doing is causing the cancer cells to undergo programmed cell death or apoptosis.

"As described in their study, the scientists observed that capsaicin inhibited the activity of NF-kappa Beta, a molecular mechanism that participates in the pathways leading to apoptosis in many cell types.

Apoptosis is a normal cellular event in many tissues that maintains a balance between newer replacement cells and aged or worn cells. In contrast, cancer cells seek to be immortal and often dodge apoptosis by mutating or deregulating the genes that participate in programmed cell death.

The pepper extract also curbed the growth of prostate cancer cells through regulation of androgen receptors, the steroid activated proteins that control expression of specific growth relating genes.

The hot pepper component also reduced cancer cell production of PSA, a protein that often is produced in high quantities by prostate tumors and can signal the presence of prostate cancer in men. PSA is regulated by androgens, and capsaicin limited androgen-induced increases of PSA in the cancer cell lines."

That's what it is doing!

Here's the link to a recap if you care to read it:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2006-03/aafc-pch031306.php
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brainman

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The hot pepper component also reduced cancer cell production of PSA, a protein that often is produced in high quantities by prostate tumors and can signal the presence of prostate cancer in men. PSA is regulated by androgens, and capsaicin limited androgen-induced increases of PSA in the cancer cell lines."

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That is the part that I am the most concerned about. If it artificially reduces the amount of PSA produced by the cancer cells, how can you really know whether or not it is killing all of the cancer? PSA is such a good indicator of the presence of Prostate cancer that I would hate to see people getting "false negatives".
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Replicant · Moderator Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 219

What's needed are controlled studies on capsaicin in humans. Remember, we've been down this path before with lycopene. It looked good in animals and in early studies on humans, but eventually proved ineffective against prostate cancer.
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HaydnLover · Regular Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 12 Location: Florida

Yes, Braiman, I hear your concern - but for me it makes sense that if cancer cells are being killed there are less of them to generate PSA, hence a lowering PSA in concert with lowering number and/or size of cancerous cells.

Besides, PSA is notoriously unreliable as an indicator of prostate cancer. I have read & heard from doctors that it is not the absolute PSA number that matters but the rate of rise over a given period of time that best informs them. I personally know two people with rather high PSA levels that have undergone several negative biopsys.

Yes, Replicant, "What's needed are controlled studies on capsaicin in humans" - I think everyone will agree to that.

However, it is very easy for you guys who have already killed your prostate to say everyone should wait until the last study is done & there are no more dissenters before trying any treatment.

Some of us are willing to take charge of our own health & act after weighing the possible pros & cons.

It is those people that I hope to reach with news about a potential cure that seems to have worked for me.
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2006 biopsy found cancer Gleason score 6 (3+3)
2008 biopsy - no cancer

acedave3 · Regular Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 22

I had a PSA of 12 , cancer in all samples of my biopsy and a Gleason of 7. After hormone treatment my PSA dropped to !.5. I have just finished external radiation to the prostate only (39 treatments). They want to wait 4 months to get an accurate reading on my PSA again. Had a bone scan and all is clear in this area.
Rather than sitting around waiting for this I thought I might give the pepper a go , having nothing to lose by trying it. Any thoughts on this? Thanks, Dave

HaydnLover · Regular Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 12 Location: Florida

I think the key words here Dave are "having nothing to lose by trying it. "
I say, give it a try.
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2008 biopsy - no cancer

acedave3 · Regular Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 22

A little up date on my ceyenne pepper excursion.
I have been taking 500 mg 40,000 stu twice a day with no side effects and have since increased that to three times daily again with no side effects.
Today I went to see my cancer doctor for a ditigal exam (finger) and he said my prosate gland was good in size and texture. I sheepishly mentioned what I was doing with my pepper treatment and he indicated that there was definitely properties in ceyenne pepper that was benificial in limiting the growth potential of these cells. He said it was OK but dont get sick from it!! lol. I was so encouraged by this that I phoned some of the guys that were taking the radiation treatment with me at the time and told them what I was doing.
Thanks for sharing your experience with me!!! Dave

HaydnLover · Regular Joined: 09 Mar 2008 Posts: 12 Location: Florida

Great news Dave!

Keep it up & keep spreading the word. Not many men know about this & they should. I've posted this info on every Prostate forum I can find but I think word of mouth is even more important.Bill
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2006 biopsy found cancer Gleason score 6 (3+3)
2008 biopsy - no cancer

markinphoenix · Regular Joined: 04 Jun 2008 Posts: 20

Gentlemen,

Any news to report on this pepper treatment experiment? I've recently been diagnosed with prostate cancer, and am scheduled to have it removed in August. If you're on to something here I would like to hear how it's working. Any body had any positive results, or negative impact from using the pepper?

Thanks, And good luck to all.

acedave3 · Regular Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Posts: 22

Will be going for PSA tomorrow and see my Cancer Doctor in a weeks time. Will keep you posted on results. Dave

hokly8 · New User Joined: 16 Jun 2008 Posts: 2

That is great news. My husband was recently diagnosed. No symptoms, but PSA rose from 3 to 5 in 4 months. Age 44, Gleason 6 (3,3) . He is scheduled for DaVinci RP next week. I would like to try a natural approach, but doc feels we should remove for best prognosis given his age and "aggressiveness" of the cancer. 12/12 cores were positive on biopsy. He never exercised or ate right until diagnosis. I have him drinking POM juice but the pepper sounds good also.

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