Naturopathic Treatments

rwhess · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:29 pm Post subject: Naturopathic Treatments

This is a general post for comments. I am a five year prostate cancer survivor (T2cNoMo) who is just beginning to see a consistent recurrent of PSA values using 3rd generation PSA testing: 0.2, 0.3, 0.6, 0.2.

After my initial treatment, I went on a vegan eating regime and dropped from 162 lb to 142. (I'm 5'10" which gave me a health BMI).

Over the past 18 months I returned to animal protein and dairy products and my weight increased to 157.

I just viewed Mike Anderson's 2008 movie "Curing Cancer." I'm not a physician, but this seems very much on target.

I'd enjoy learning the group's thoughts.

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Replicant · Moderator Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 741

Hi and welcome.

Thoughts on which part of your message--the possible recurrence? I see from your public profile on GuideStar ( http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=justgive&npoId=100863096 ) that you had surgery, so anything above 0.1 would be a reason for concern. Why you would trend upward suddenly drop back to 0.2 is a mystery to me...was that a typo? That would not be a consistent pattern as you wrote you were experiencing.

You said you were having 3rd generation testing--I thought that 3rd generation was "ultrasensitive" and reported in hundredths of nanograms per ml, not tenths. So did you mean to write 0.02, 0.03, 0.06, 0.20 perhaps?

If you do indeed have a rising PSA after surgery, in my layperson's view, the question is--where is it? If it's local, you might have a second chance at a cure through salvage radiation--or perhaps salvage HIFU. (My experience is with salvage radiation). IF you are having a recurrence, I don't believe that you could cure it through naturopathic treatments, any more than you could have cured it that way when first diagnosed. I'm not sure if that was your question. Was it? Anyway, the question is whether or not it is local, and unfortunately, unless you have mets that show up on a scan, you won't know for sure. But there is a nomogram to help you predict your odds of success at http://nomograms.org . Of course, if it turns out the cancer is systemic, then systemic (and non-curative at this point in time) treatment is called for; namely hormone therapy.

Although as a new user, you can't post external links for a while, here is the site you listed:
http://www.prostatecancerawarenessproject.org/

Looks like a worthy cause--combining your interest in cycling with prostate cancer awareness sounds like a creative approach and I wish you well in that endeavor.

Best,
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Dx Feb 2006, PSA 9 @age 43
RRP Apr 2006 - Gleason 3+4, T2c, NXMX, pos margins
PSA 5/06 <0.1, 8/06 0.2, 12/06 0.6, 1/07 0.7.
Salvage radiation (IMRT) total dose 70.2 Gy, Jan-Mar 2007@ age 44
PSA 6/07 0.1, 9/07 (and thereafter) <0.1
http://pcabefore50.blogspot.com

rwhess · Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:25 pm Post subject: Naturopathy vs. Allopathy

Thanks for the reply. You are correct, I meant to type .02, etc. Perhaps my question to the forum should be "Has anyone pursued the naturopathic principles Mike Anderson discusses in "Healing Cancer" and what have been the results?"

Best regards,

Robert

johnT · Senior User Joined: 27 Apr 2009 Posts: 173

From everything I have researched on diet I don't think it can cure PC, but it can significantly slow the growth of the cancer, defined as slowing the psa velocity.
There is a ton of data on diet and supplements for PC and most Prostate Oncologists recommend a vegaterian or a heart health diet, minimizing dairy and red meat.
JohnT
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psa at diagnosis 40 in nov-08
gleason 6 and 7
Treatment choice seeds and IMRT

Replicant · Moderator Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Posts: 741

I agree with JohnT about the benefit of a healthy lifestyle.

And on another point--since you clarified your PSA trend--if you are considering salvage radiation you should not delay. Pre-treatment PSA is a definite factor in the probability of successful salvage--the lower the better. Stephenson, et al., have shown that optimal results are obtained when salvage radiation starts at 0.5 or below, and you definitely want to begin before you hit 1.0. All of this assumes you are a candidate and wish to go for it. If you decide not to pursue salvage treatment, it would seem to me your next step would be hormone therapy (androgen deprivation) which would not be curative. There would not be the same urgency in getting started with hormone therapy.
See "Predicting the Outcome of Salvage Radiation Therapy for Recurrent Prostate Cancer After Radical Prostatectomy" by Andrew J. Stephenson, Peter T. Scardino, Michael W. Kattan, Thomas M. Pisansky, Kevin M. Slawin, Eric A. Klein, Mitchell S. Anscher, Jeff M. Michalski, Howard M. Sandler, Daniel W. Lin, Jeffrey D. Forman, Michael J. Zelefsky, Larry L. Kestin, Claus G. Roehrborn, Charles N. Catton, Theodore L. DeWeese, Stanley L. Liauw, Richard K. Valicenti, Deborah A. Kuban, Alan Pollack.
Journal of Clinical Oncology, Vol 25, No 15 (May 20), 2007: pp. 2035-2041. Full text available for free at: http://jco.ascopubs.org/cgi/content/abstract/25/15/2035 Also see the erratum at: http://jco.ascopubs.org/cgi/content/full/25/26/4153

If I were you, I would consult with a radiation oncologist and a medical oncologist to chart out a plan. Go ahead with modifying your diet, but don't depend on that alone.

Just my 2 cents.

Best wishes.
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Dx Feb 2006, PSA 9 @age 43
RRP Apr 2006 - Gleason 3+4, T2c, NXMX, pos margins
PSA 5/06 <0.1, 8/06 0.2, 12/06 0.6, 1/07 0.7.
Salvage radiation (IMRT) total dose 70.2 Gy, Jan-Mar 2007@ age 44
PSA 6/07 0.1, 9/07 (and thereafter) <0.1
http://pcabefore50.blogspot.com

davidcliftonpitts · Regular Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 11

where can i get this book!
I am making major changes including veganism, no longer working nights, taking a lower paying job ( same company) with less stress, Green Tea, Chi gong and trying to regain some spiritual perspective and also doing traditional therapy ( when i decide this one..)

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