Where do I go from here HELP!!

rgrondin1 · New User Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 4

Background.

I'm 42 years old, with a PSA of 1.52. I had a biopsy (do to symptoms and family history) that confirmed prostate cancer with a gleason score of 7 (3+4). I've since had a bone scan and several CT scans that showed a leason being my right ear.

I had this leason removed this past weekend and I am awaiting the bone biopsy. If it comes back negative for prostate cancer it's a no brainer... I have the prostate removed NOW.

My Question.

What options do I have if it comes back positive???

HELP HELP HELP

brainman

Hi rgrondin, I am sorry to hear about your prostate cancer. I can understand why you are so anxious to know what might come next. All we can give you is based on our members' personal experience and so it might vary from one person to the next.

If the biopsy results of the lesion come back positive, it means the there is a possibility that it has gone to other places as well... even if a scan does not show any yet. Therefore, you will need a treatment that will work throughout all of your body. In other words, you will most likely need some form of chemotherapy.

How long until the pathology report returns? Best wishes. I will be thinking about and praying for you.
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rgrondin1 · New User Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 4

I have to wait 10-14 days for the biopsy results. They have to demineralize the bone sample before biopsying it. I'm still hoping it will be something other than prostate cancer, but I think the odds are against that.

Seven years ago my father died of prostate cancer. He lasted all of five years. Has there been any advancement in chemo since then? I have two young daughters (12 and 15) and I'd like to stick around for longer than five years. I had planned a long and happy retirement with my wife of 20 years.... in another 20+ years!

Thank you for the support.

I have found no local support groups for this "Male" problem. It's disheartening.

bruce kopitz · Regular Joined: 07 Sep 2007 Posts: 10

Hello. My name is Bruce Kopitz. I am a 57 year old married man, father of three. I began experiencing rising PSA in the mid-1990's. Biopsies were unable to confirm cancer, so watchful waiting was recommended. However, it is generally believed that prostate cancer escapes the sheath when it's analogue, the PSA number, rises above 10. My number was approaching 10, so I became very uncomfortable.

I researched options. I didn't want the "Gold Standard" of that time, or prostatectomy, because of the many recorded instances of incontinence, sexual incapacitation and recurrence of cancer. Radiation, at the time, seemed like a Pyrhic exercise. I began using an herbal product called PC-Spes (Spes is Latin for hope). My PSA dropped to below 2 and stayed there. The product was expensive, which was a burden, but it worked, and UNLIKE HORMONE THERAPIES, MOST MEN NEVER - REPEAT NEVER - BECOME REFRACTORY. You may have read a posting here by Steve, I believe. He calls PC-Spes a fraud, apparently without ever taking it. Number One, it worked. Number two, it WAS contaminated, with trace amounts of naturally occurring Warfarin (an FDA controlled substance). Steve claims that the contaminants were the reason it worked. If so, I say take it BECAUSE of the contaminants! However, Warfarin is a blood thinner and has no PSA-reducing potential. Warfarin was NOT the reason PC Spes worked. It worked because the herbal complex (which, interestingly, was developed by court herbalists for the last Mandarin emperor in China) ENABLES YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM TO RECOGNIZE CANCER CELLS, AND TO KILL THEM (apostosis). The effect can be startling. Painful metastatic bone sites are rapidly and progressively debulked and absorbed by the body. CANCER EVERYWHERE EXCEPT INSIDE THE PROSTATE IS DESTROYED. Inside the prostate, according to the best research on these herbs, PC enters into remission or very slow apoptosis. YOU CAN GO ON TO LEAD A NORMAL LIFE, AND DIE FROM SOMETHING ELSE.

The bad news is that the FDA, upon discovery of the Warfarin contaminant, required the immediate withdrawal of PC-Spes from the marketplace (consigning hundreds, if not thousands, of men to their deaths). The GOOD NEWS IS THAT PROSTASOL FROM DR DONSBACK IS A SUPERIOR SUCCESSOR! I know for a variety of anecdotal reasons, aside from available statistics. I used it, before and after my successful 22-hour brachytherapy (my PSA is now .2 five years out). My brother drove his 11 PSA down to 1 (then took wide-beam radiation). My father is on it now. An acquaintance named Bob had a PSA of 512 and was becoming refractory to chemotherapy. After one month on Prostasol, his PSA was 212. By the second month his blood count increased to almost normal, forestalling additional transfusions. Both steroid and Procrit therapy were discontinued because they were no longer needed. He is now exercising without pain, has high color and a resurgent attitude. One of the distributors for the product, Paul, had a recurrence of his PC after a radical prostatectomy 22 years ago. He began with PC-Spes, then graduated to Prostasol. His PSA now - 22 years later - is .1. According to Paul, Doctor Donsback’s formulation works in about 95% of all cases where the immune system is materially intact – another reason to try this therapy BEFORE immune-system ravaging chemotherapy.

Note - there are several different formulations of Prostasol on the market, including a European version with which I have no experience. I have used, and know dozens of men who have used Doctor Donsback's Prostasol. You may email me for purchase sources, or buy it on the web. If you try this therapy, call or email Doctor Donsback for dosing instructions. High PSA’s generally begin with 2 caps 3 times daily, low PSA’s with half that amount. Monitor your PSA monthly. Eventually, you may tritate down to as few as one cap daily. On a related note, while you cannot cure cancer by choosing your foods, you can tailor your consumption to make your body a less hospitable PC environment. Controlled studies have shown that 8 ounces of pomegranate juice daily, for example, can double PSA rise times (add xylitol to counter bitterness, for anti-microbe and for calcium retention). Refrain from red and preserved meats and barbecue (carcinogens). Eat whole foods and grains, especially cooked tomatoes. I used supplements faithfully, especially lycopene, inosital hexophosphate (IP-6), a good multi-vitamin (Twinlabs “2 per day”), and colloidal minerals such as Seasilver. There are reasons to avoid Omega-3 fatty acid supplements, as these may speed PSA rise times – supplement with DHA instead. Of course, if you’re not too sick, exercise.

My prayers are with you!

rgrondin1 · New User Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 4

Thanks for the reply.

My father, who died of prostate cancer at 59, tried most of these herbal remedies including the one you mentioned. They were successful is lowering his PSA and raising his moral, but did not slow down prostate cancer. It spread from pelvic area, to his spine, and finally is skull. Eventually it spread to his organ (liver, lungs, etc) and killed him.

His aspent a great deal of his (and my mothers) retirement wealth visiting various religious sites, and trying these different herbal concoctions hoping for a cure. I'm really not willing to pay a charliant.

Im my opinion all these item lead to false hope. I'll trust them men with the science backgrounds that are doing real clinical trials. As soon as my biopsy results come it, I will be contacting The Karmanos Cancer Center.

johnw100

Treatment options will depend on your full diagnosis, including the number and volume of positive samples from the boipsy.

With recent extensive screening, most men are diagnosed with very early stage, often with only one or two positive 3+3=6 gleason scores.
Gleason scores of 3+4 are regarded as being more favourable than 4+3.

For local PC, surgery and radiations show similar results, although choice of doctor is most important. It often comes down to potential side effects and personal preference.

Depending on what treatment you're considering, it's worth reading a good book on the subject:
If considering surgery, Dr Peter Scardino's book is very informative.
For a more overall view for someone thinking of various options the book by Dr Lee Nelson is worthwhile.

rgrondin1 · New User Joined: 04 Sep 2007 Posts: 4

The lesson on the back of my skull is non cancerous!!!

In two weeks the prostate comes out! Very Happy

Thanks for the replies.

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