Patrick Swazee-damn ciggs

georgie430 · Regular Joined: 02 Jul 2009 Posts: 47

Hi All:

Sorry to Patrick who died yesterday and his family, sorry to evryone. Guess I identify with him because he is from my generation and he didn't hide his cancer AND he said he played hard!!

I just wanted to vent and say how much I hate THIS cancer!! Sometimes I can not understand our gov't either!! I know politics is a raw subject but so is death! I dont smoke pot but DAMN it why the (my words would be deleted) is cigerettes legal?? I for the life of me pun intended do not understand.

Mothers for drunk drivers protest, crap we even protest how "others" deal w/ there sexual preference, why are there not giant anti tobacco protest??
What the F is wrong, it accounts for 85% of ALL lung cancer, 70% of panc and I dont know the stats on all the other cancers it kills.

Obama or whoever was pres. get rid of smokes and you will do ALOT for
our healthcare, the billions saved, because who are we kidding iot comes down to the almighty dollar, NOT LIFE.

Yes I smoked I started as a teen, yes I quit, but the damage was done. I would love to start something, I hate myself for smoking, just like a dopefiend hates having a monkey on his back. Its an addiction, legal!!
It should NOT be legal it KILLS people, ven when your in "recovery"

I dont want my kids dying of a cancer that our Govt profits from, period.
I'm sorry but I know all of you w/ lung and panc ca. how you go thru that feeling of why did I smoke?? WHY cause you were young and stupid and it is soo addictive. And the Gov't supplied it and made a profit. very simple, sorry so damn angry.

Denise
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pbj11 · Site Admin Joined: 12 May 2007 Posts: 2853

I would never advocate smoking, but please understand that 15-20% of lung cancer diagnosis are for people who never smoked and 50% of new diagnosis are for people who either never smoked or quit smoking decades ago. My husband was one of the "quit" decades earlier.

I agree that there is a serious "marriage" between Washington politicians and big tobacco, as they've let them put additives and increase the nicotine in cigarettes to keep them more and more addictive.

I certainly share your frustration. Assigning blame to oneself is not healthy in a cancer fight.

Regards,
PBJ
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Jean222 · Senior User Joined: 14 Dec 2008 Posts: 262

HIs surname is Swayze.

RIP Patrick Swayze.

I think smoking is a personal decision and I don't know of anyone who does not know about it's link to cancer.

People have the right to choose for themselves, the government should stay out of peoples' lives, IMO.

No, I'm not a smoker and dislike it greatly but you cannot save people from themselves!

Besides, if he enjoyed it (and he obviously did!) and had a very limited amount of time left, why shouldn't he enjoy it??

RIP Patrick, I hope you have ciggies in Heaven. Dance away my friend!

georgie430 · Regular Joined: 02 Jul 2009 Posts: 47

Well truth is the gov't is in yopur life. Sorry I was angry I know its Swayze
thanks for the correction. Heyis my opinion, like you have yours. I'm pissed cause they are in our lives (realy think about it) in more ways then probably most want.

Absolutely, I think if Mr. Swayze wanted to continue smoking then he should, I guess in all honesty, how could it hurt?

Its the hypocrisy that annoys me, deeply. Isn't smoking a joint a personal choice, were is all there supportiv data on that. Hey this is a No
brainer.

We worry about what effects us. Oh lets all do something about the climate, but why how I choose to heat my home or throw out my garbage is a personal choice, let me buy an electric car. Doesn't cigg smoke w/ all of its many additives pollute our ozone layer? Anybody know?? Lets do it to save the earth, forget about the children, its there personel choice.

Hey this isn't about us, its about our children and grandchildren. I think anyone that thinks smking should be legal is a selfish righteous (for what I have no idea person).

Your right today all people kno about the dangers of smoking. It should be illegal because the majority ( I have worked w/ addictive people all my life) start before they are 18!! Tell me why can they not drink. Oh cause
we dont want them, kids hurting anyone else. But whoreally cares that they are killing themselves. I know I have a 5 year old daghter, I'll tell her I would rather her break the law smoke a joint, drink a beer, then smoke ciggs.

Fee fre to correct my spelling. If only everybody was so strong.
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"going thru these very rough times have made
me WAKE UP, I know this sounds cliche, but
don't want to go back to sleep" !!!

georgie430 · Regular Joined: 02 Jul 2009 Posts: 47

Look I'm so sorry, I'm angry and this is not a political forum. All I can do is the best I can w/ my children and myself. I apologize Jean and anyone else, I'm sure tommorow Iwill awake and say, you idiot stop shooting from the hip.

Again my apologies, really i'm sorry
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"going thru these very rough times have made
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don't want to go back to sleep" !!!

Jean222 · Senior User Joined: 14 Dec 2008 Posts: 262

Hey Georgie,

We all have bad days.

Yes the government IS in our lives, too much, if you ask me.

Where I live, you cannot legally buy ciggies til you are 19 and the shopkeeper has to 'card' you if you look under 25.

Of course these things, smoking, drinking, eating to excess or taking no exercise (getting out of shape and fat) are all personal decisions.

I personally, believe in moderation in most things~~~my Hubby and I have always done everything !! in moderation and it did NOT stop him from getting cancer.

He's fighting for his very life and not likely to win, as it's not curable.

Yes, it makes us angry but there are sooo many things that we cannot control that add to the risk of cancers.

We live in a city, eat foods containing pesticides etc but before pesticides everything had mold on it and Lord only knows what in the other discoloured areas~~~ I'm even old enough to remember moldy apples.

My parents cut the 'bad bits' out and we ate the rest~~~looks much better with some pesticide but was it ever really 'safe'??

We cannot avoid everything, although I understand your concern about the coming generations. I have kids and Gkids and they eat too much junk food, my kids smoke (even though Hubby and I don't) and drink a bit, maybe too much sometimes.

I'm sure my Gkids don't get enough exercise, not nearly as much as their mothers did~~~ I had them all in sports, riding bikes and playing down at our park. Now you can't leave kids playing at the park, too much fear of weirdos or child molesters, kidnappings etc.

It's a very sad way to live, being afraid of everything.

IMO, life is to be enjoyed, savoured and lived to the fullest.

Worry never cured anything, nor did getting pissed~~lol~~I've been pissed a lot while driving in this crazy city today!

We can only control what WE do, not what others do and NOBODY knows when/how they're going to die~~~so please try to be happy and not worry. Worrrying can dig you an early grave!

pbj will be laughing if she reads this as I have PMd her a few times, when all I can see is disaster around me. My beloved Hubby is dying by inches every day, it's horrible but it is what it is~~~some days I cannot cope at all. Others, I just stagger through.

See, Georgie, we all have our ups and downs, so don't fret over it.

Hope tomorrow is a better day for you. Smile

Wasn't 'Dirty Dancing' a great film?? Thanks Patrick & Jennifer Grey!

Jean

pbj11 · Site Admin Joined: 12 May 2007 Posts: 2853

I understand all ups, downs, frustration, tears, anger, and seeking bright spots along anyone's cancer journey.

If we can't come here and vent, then where else CAN we go?

I may try to move this thread to the lounge or the "coping" section, because putting it in one specific category may be upsetting to those still battling this particular cancer. We always had an almost physical reaction when someone of fame or note passed from lung cancer. I want to remain sensitive, so don't be offended if this is moved.

Jean -- you know I laugh with your highs and cry with your lows, because I've walked this path too. That's what is so good about these forums.

Hugs, prayers, and wishes for "bright spots" for everyone.

PBJ
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georgie430 · Regular Joined: 02 Jul 2009 Posts: 47

Totally understand PBJ, and thank-you Jean and PBJ.

In fact I think you should move it, I even got annoyed at my semi-deaf friend last night for taking off his tv ear phones while I had on a brief about Swayze. While I never knew the man of course, his death just sent me down a spiral of emotions.

Jean you are so right fear and anger will do enough of a job on me.

On a lighter note, my spelling is the worst, very high IQ, but still was one of the first to sit at spelling bee's. In my defense, my daughter spilt something on this keyboard and some keys do not connect. I was re-reading my post, and I see the e's dont always hit. I should be able to spell "the" da.

Thank you for being understanding. Yes I'm struggling with many issues
right know as you both are. Thanks again.

Denise
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"going thru these very rough times have made
me WAKE UP, I know this sounds cliche, but
don't want to go back to sleep" !!!

Adagio7780 · Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:12 am Post subject: Re: Patrick Swazee-damn ciggs

It's a crazy world, georgie430, and venting is part of it. Makes you feel alive sometimes. Of course you have to be gracious enough to apologize, just as you have done. Shows that high IQ and a lot of class, too. There just ain't no good answers to the proper level of government involvement in our lives. After you add all the ingredients and distill it down to final purity, you're left with this: South Carolina mandates seat belt use while in a car, but lets you ride a motorcycle without a helmet. It doesn't get any plainer than that.

My grandmother (RIP) had a wonderful old but gramatically disastrous saying: "Thems that can't listen hasta feel." There it is!
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simplyklb · Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Patrick Swazee-damn ciggs

Hi Denise,
I have seen both of my parents battle lung cancer... My dad lost his battle last year and my mom is still fighting. They had both quit smoking years before they were diagnosed. I am not going to condemn my parents because they smoked. Yes, there can be a high incidence of lung cancer and other cancers among smokers. Are smokers the total cause of people getting lung and other cancers? NO They are environmental and genetic factors that play into the cancer risks. Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think that my parents would wind up with lung cancer. They were both diagnosed at the same time. It is a total crapshot of who gets cancer.

Kristi
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tinaruns · New User Joined: 09 Sep 2009 Posts: 6

I realize that, in some ways, it is "a total crap shoot" as to who gets cancer.

But, and it's a big, huge "but," all of the doctors and experts who study this subject say that we could eliminate a large percentage of lung cancer cases if we eliminated smoking.

I understand that people are entitled to make their own decisions--if you know that smoking causes lung cancer, and you want to keep smoking, that certainly is your decision (although even that is questionable because smoking is so addictive, but that's another rant, for another day).

My HUGE problem with smoking is so obvious--second hand smoke. I grew up in a smoking household w/two heavy smokers. They smoked indoors AND in the car, with the windows UP--even though I complained regularly that the smoke made me uncomfortable.

Now, even though I have lived a very healthy life (don't drink or smoke, I exercise very regularly, eat healthy, etc), I live in very real fear that I may get lung cancer. And THAT my friends is NOT FAIR.

That's why the govt absolutely should making smoking illegal TOMORROW!!!!!!

And that still will not undue the damage that might have been done to my lungs, but at least it would feel like some sort of justice.

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