Hi everyone I just joined the forum today but I have lurked here quite a number of times.
The reason why I joined was to try to find out more about the connection between sugar and cancer.
My mom has stage 4 PNET Brain Tumor/Cancer, not sure if that is the right term or not, but she left Rochester MN a month ago where they gave her two months to live. She sleeps about 20 hours a day and can hasn't really walked for quite some time and for the last several weeks has needed to be fed all her meals. She does't have the energy/skills to feed herself anymore.
My dad is determined to feed her a healthy diet that is high in antioxidants and salmon (wild caught in Alaska) every day among other foods that are the best of the best that he can find.
He's getting a lot of information on the net and I'm trying to make heads or tails of it all. I've taken my life and put it on hold to be a caregiver and support person for my dad so i have to support him in everything that he does.
He's just approved to let her have eggs because he now feels we need to boost her protein. Something I have been trying to get him to agree to for some time now. Last night he agreed to giving her whole milk, but this morning he realized that a cup has 11 grams of sugar so he won't let her have it anymore. But will let her have almond milk because it doesn't have any sugar.
He also read where the sugar found in fruit is just as bad as refined sugar in the bag added to foods so he's going to decrease the blueberries and grapes for that reason. Too much sugar.
Are there any medical documents that I can show him to help prove that point wrong, or help me to understand what he is doing is right. I know that cancer feeds off sugar, but does that mean you need to cut as much sugar out of your diet as possible including natural sugars found in milk and fruits/veggies?
Two days ago pain started for her, and he's convinced that she is in pain because of her nutrition. He told me that those with brain cancer won't have the pain (body) like those with other cancers.
I want to be supportive, but i also want what's best for my mom in the little time left that she has. My dad is convinced that he can make her better and give her a few more months or even years by changing her diet. There are no more medical treatments left to try. She's even been through two stem cell transplants and the second one almost killed her. So diet is all we have left.
Just looking for any help or advice to help me understand some of my dad's choices.
Krissy- Im sorry to hear your mom isnt doing well. Its so wonderfull that you and your dad care so much for your mom. As far as nutrition-yes important ..sugar is still waay controversial with not alot of valid proof, altho too much of anything isnt good for anyone.-My mom has been in stage IV for 5 years now, grant you moms colon cancer is far different from brain yet cancer nevertheless is cancerThe most important thing my moms doctor told her was to have stregth get as much of anything you can get down in to gain weight so she would have something to fight with. He suggested heavy creams extra butter( high protein fish meat eggs)ensure shakes gatorade to keep balanced, vegetables as she can tolorate them(which she can hardly eat due to her colostomy) shes to eat potatoes pastas etc.
If sugar was definately the cause I doubt he would be telling her to consume all those carbs when they ca convert to sugars. mom cant eat fruit either but if it didnt bother her she would. Plus he told her to eat whatever she wants -just get it in and she takes many suppliments that he uses to balance her body what the missing intestines can no longer do. with bloodwork they are keeping things balanced as possible. I say as long as your mom can eat-you ought to make it easy for her and let her eat whatever is enjoyable for her anythings better than having to be on TPN(total parental nutrition) given in IV form.Mom was on that for 1month no food.
luckily she bounced back. No matter what you feed her unfortunately I doubt it will prolong life-its her body how much it can handle and whenever her time is destined to be, I would let her enjoy her favorite foods. I can see your dads attempt to try and keep her as healthy as possible but cutting sugar completely isnt going to change anything. Eggs and salmon and white fish being high in protein may be easier for her to eat than most meats-and protein is important especially with all the muscle breakdown that happens when one lies around alot. keeping her hydrated will be one of the toughest things -water gatorade the best. they wanted mom to drink 4 gatorades (big ones) a day plus water . we were lucky we got 1 gatorade and 2 water- and it wasnt good she got dehydrated 2 times to almost the point of..well you know what I mean we almost lost her. hang in there-prayers for your family. hope this helped some take care keep us posted
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port-port rejection-port removed 1week.
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transfusion central line TPN 1 month.
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xeloda reduced. severe dehydration,heart attack.
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Jan-16 injections neulasta and aranesp
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Feb/21/13 neulasta injection
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Hi Krissy. I am so sorry about your mother's PNET. Obviously, a good diet can only help her through this time. However, there really is no conclusive evidence that sugars (any type) cause cancer or cause cancers to grow faster. There is only some bad logic that says that it does. The logic goes:
"If cancers are cells growing faster than normal cells, then they must use more sugars than normal cells. Therefore, reducing or trying to eliminate sugars from a diet should make cancer cells die faster than normal ones."
This logic sounds good but it really is bad. In non hypoglycemic or diabetic people, the body will work to stabilize blood sugar levels so it does not matter how much pure sugar you take in. The body will just start converting fats, cholesterol, triglycerides, starches... into sugars.
Fruits have way too many good things in them too. Some are also great sources of antioxidants.
Having said this, I can understand not wanting to give up. You, your father, and your mother are in my thoughts and prayers.
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I asked my doc (one of the top hemotological oncologists in the country; at City of Hope). She said it's been studied and there is absolutely nothing that has shown that consuming sugars of any kind "feed" cancers and make them grow.
SUGAR : What Harvard, UCLA, MD Anderson, have found in their research
SUGAR : What Harvard, UCLA, MD Anderson, have found in their*research and clinical trials. They found that people with the highest levels of common sugar in their blood streams survive less!There are lots of different types of sugar. Fructose, sucrose, plant sugars, and polysaccharides that aid your immune defences, and intra- and inter-cellular messaging. White refined and brown sugar = glucose that is tantamount to a chemical toxin. It has been totally refined from its natural source. It causes diabetes when in excess in our diets, and high blood glucose in people results in higher levels of cancer and less survival if you already have cancer. Fact. You need to keep blood glucose levels to a minimum if you want to beat cancer.
Laboratory research at Duke University, found cancer cells appear to use a combination of sugar and specific proteins to keep growing when they should die. These cancer cells appear to use sugar at a high rate, in order to ignore cellular instructions to die off. Cancer metabolizes through a process of fermentation.
If you've ever made wine, you'll know that fermentation requires sugar.
Sugar provides energy, but doesn't give you any nutrients that are needed to reduce your cancer risk. Natural sugars are in fruits and vegetables , they should be part of a healthy diet. Processed sugars such as white or brown sugar and corn syrup should be avoided.. STOP eating sugar-loaded foods such as candy, baked goods, sugary cereals and sodas to reduce your cancer risk. Balance your diet with plant foods, fish, and whole grains. Excellent sugar substitutes AGAVE SYRUP OR STEVIA (stevia known also as sweetleaf may be a little more bitter in cooking)+ Exercise and avoid stress.
Best, GQ Stage 4 colon cancer survivor
Does a book title count as a forbidden link for newbie posting purposes? Several books say processed carbs and oils are a bad idea for everyone, especially cancer patients. A fairly recent and real authoritative one was put out by a U. Pittsburgh researcher a couple of years ago. He lived 20 years with a poor brain cancer prognosis, and his book includes a ton of first-hand anecdotal and research-backed evidence for his recommendations. Hopefully that's enough info to find the book if the name gets zapped out of this post. The book is "Anticancer: A New Way of Life" by David Servan-Schreiber.
Seems to me, no good can come of loading up on processed food and calories' for calories' sake. Empty calories don't do anything to build a strong body. Cachexia's not a syndrome of too little body fat, it means the body's not absorbing the nutrients it needs, so force-feeding only targets the visible symptom, not the problem.
(I am neither a doc nor a long-term cancer survivor at this point, so I'd take what I say with a grain of salt. But my main research source has been the library, and anything I cite as "fact" comes from a published source with a footnote pointing to a real research study.)
Based on what I've read over the years, dealing with my son's ALL (12 years ago) and my own oral cancer (and, my body also being a T2 diabetic), I can comfortable state:
- Suger does feed cancer. It gives it energy to grow faster. Man-made sugars are very bad on the body.
- Always pick natrual sugars (like in fruits) over man-made sugar. Sugar in pure form (like white table sugar, sugar in candy) and hidden sugar within many "process foods" is very bad for the body.
- The body needs natural fruits to remain healthy. An apple each day does keep the doctor away. And, many Tropical fruits help fight free radicals (which reduce the risk of getting cancer) as well. Thus, having tropical fruit is good (even though it contains natural sugars).
- Its better to pick north of North America fruits over south of North America (aka: tropical) fruits. For example, pick berries instead of an tropical orange.
- When having tropical fruit, its best to have at a snack time. And, only have that fruit item during snack time. For example, have an orange at 3:00 PM snack time. When possible, have 1/2 an orange, wait 20-30 minutes, then have other 1/2 of the orange. Having orange slices every 5 minutes over 1 hour time period is even better. Spread the time out because tropical fruits have his GI number.
- Being a Diabetic person, its always best to eat to one's BG (Blood Glucose) meter. If oranges (as an example) are too much on your unique "D" body, then never eat oranges again. If wondering, my T2 body can only have 1/2 an orange. Anymore than 1/2 and its BG numbers spike too high.
- After eating tropical fruits (like oranges, grapefruit, etc.), brush one's teeth afterwards. The acid from this items burn away one's teeth. Best to brush teeth afterwards. And, never eat an acid based fruit and go directly to bed (without brushing one's teeth).
- When having fruits, always shake & wash them. Always!!! And when possible, peel the fruit (like peal an apple) to remove its outer chemicals as well. Lots of pestisides on apple's outer skin. Always best to remove all (most) of these chemicals (like natural acid rain and man-made pestiside) as possible. Thus, the correct statement of "eat a peeled apple each day keeps the doctor away". LOL!!!!
Long mumblings short.... It's also best to have "balance diet" within one's life as well. Eating too much sugar is bad. NOT eating enough natural sugars (like natural fruits, natural honey - from a bee keeper) is bad as well. Always think "balanced" diet food items. And, remember to physical exercise as well. When fighting cancer, even getting enough exercise (even walking the dog 30-45 minutes each day) is as critical as well. Balance of proper foods and proper (which isn't MORE) exercise helps....
talking to my 3 oncologists and my nutrisionist. Eat everything in moderation. There is no sound proof about sugar. They have me on a high protein diet to help with my energy level. the only thing I am to stay away from is alcohol. For the last 8 months my weight has only varied 4 pounds. I walk and exercise daily
Thanks for the fruit info, Jack. Some of the nuttier things I have read say to eschew even that.
Why is fruit sugar needed in the diet? The only "need' I thought I had was to fill a lifelong sugar addiction. :P Fruit's been a lifesaver for keeping me out of the cookie jar, so to speak.
One other note about tropical fruits: Pineapple is an awesome anti-inflammatory. I have been eating a half a one a day for two days to combat disabling shoulder and wrist pain. If it's a placebo affect, it's a whole lot better than the ibuprofin and vicodan the doc prescribed for me. Neither made a dent in the pain, and I went so far as to make myself sick taking vicodan every few hours trying to get to sleep one night.
(Above's especially useful bc kidney and liver-damaging chemo treatments can preclude a lot of other pain relievers.)
Sorry to hear of your mom.
An Australian friends mother was diagnosed nearly 25 years ago with incurable stomach cancer and was given less than 6 months to live. As she lived in the outback it was a plane journey to Perth for diagnosis, they did all the tests and said no treatment as it has progressed too far.
Her doctor (Flying doctor Service) who was an old German doc told her to eat as much raw black cane molasses as she could tolerate, which she did.
6 months later she returned to Perth hospital they were astounded, not a trace of cancer.
She eventually died many years later of a totally cancer unrelated problem.
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Is there a caregivers' support group your dad could attend? It sounds to me like he's not really processing information very well right now, and meeting other caregivers might help him start to accept the situation. It's very tempting to think we can find a clever way to control what's happening. Is the doctor addressing her pain?
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Jack hate to tell you this but nearly everything you stated above is either unproven or outright inaccurate - most notably, "sugar feeds cancer." Nope. Old wives' tale with nothing to back it. That said, the overall point of minimizing sugar should be IMO common sense - too much sugar is bad in a variety of ways.
My overall take on sugar is that Mom was right. It really isn't good for you. I don't see the point in anyone keeping it in his diet, especially when refined carbs are among some of the most clearly unhealthy foods out there. Not to mention the fact that there are plenty of naturally sweet foods with nutrition in them.
For the non-believers... It took many, many years for the general public to fully understand that smoking kills the body. It will take many, many years for the public to understand that "added sugar" in our foods / drinks is bad as well. There's more than enough natural sugars in foods to help our bodies. Too much sugar (especially man-made refinded sugars) creates increase in free radicals. Free radicals create higher risk of cancer. Therefore, sugar creates cancer. Or, "sugar feeds cancer". It's that simple. Just like sugar promotes tooth decay as well. Therefore, sugar feeds cavities as well.. Added sugar in our diets is very bad. Just like smoking people have a dramatic risk of getting cancer (or dying earlier than average age) due to its negative side effects as well. Stay away from "added sugar" items / drinks. It's that simple...
Good reading at: http://www.drheise.com/cancersugar.htm
For the non-believers... It took many, many years for the general public to fully understand that smoking kills the body. It will take many, many years for the public to understand that "added sugar" in our foods / drinks is bad as well. There's more than enough natural sugars in foods to help our bodies. Too much sugar (especially man-made refinded sugars) creates increase in free radicals. Free radicals create higher risk of cancer. Therefore, sugar creates cancer. Or, "sugar feeds cancer". It's that simple.
Again: no. It's not that simple and that's incorrect. Sugar does not "feed cancer," although your overall point of minimizing sugar intake is a good one. And really I think the public understands the dangers of too much sugar; they just don't care. Darwin in action perhaps.
And no offense but referencing some "alt med" site is not exactly a way to build credibility - in fact the alt med mindset is generally poorly thought of here, and with good reason. It is long on claims and short on verifiable evidence/proof.
While I appreciate people trying to help there is not much point in coming here to a forum where people actually have cancer and preaching about the dangers of sugar.
I am now locking this thread
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