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    Vitamin C Infusion

    I just returned from my Prostate support group meeting. One of the members brought up the subject of Vitamin C Infusion for prostate cancer treatment. Apparently, this is being studied, but not any where close to main stream treatment. The infusion of C is thought to be an oxidant affecting the growth of PC. It will not lower pca, but is thought to have positive long term affects. The infusion of C is much stronger then what you could ever take as a tablet, is the reason for the infusion directly into a vein.

    Anyone hear of this therapy??

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    YOB 1957

    DX 12/18, GS 8, 4+4 6/12 cores, LL Apex 100%, LM Apex 60%, LL Mid 50%, LMM 40%, LL Base 5%, LM <5%, Right side negative.

    3/6/19. Pathology - Grade Group 4 Intraductal Carcinoma
    T3aNO, 1 mm EPE, GS8, 21 mm uni-focal tumor involved 10% of prostate.

    7 Nodes, SV, SM, PNI, and BNI were negative.

    LVI and Cribriform pattern present.

    Decipher .86 High Risk.

    Post Surgery PSA
    3/25/19 .03. (28 days)
    4/25/19 <.03. (58 days)
    5/25/19 <.02. (88 days)
    9/10/2019. <.02. (198 days)

    3 Part Modality Treatment

    2/25/19 Robotic Laparoendoscopic Single Site Surgery outpatient Cleveland Clinic,

    ADT - started 6/19, end date 6/21.

    ART - Completed 9/26/19. (78 Gy, yes, I glow in the dark)

  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by rooster22 View Post
    I just returned from my Prostate support group meeting. One of the members brought up the subject of Vitamin C Infusion for prostate cancer treatment. Apparently, this is being studied, but not any where close to main stream treatment. The infusion of C is thought to be an oxidant affecting the growth of PC. It will not lower pca, but is thought to have positive long term affects. The infusion of C is much stronger then what you could ever take as a tablet, is the reason for the infusion directly into a vein.

    Anyone hear of this therapy??
    When you take Vit. C, any excess is quickly eliminated in your urine, so its concentration in the blood and, consequently, its bioavailability at the cellular level in tissue will be low. Putting it directly into the bloodstream gets higher concentrations to organ tissue, at least for a little while, until it passes through the kidneys unmetabolized and into the urine.

    Aside from the possible adverse gastric effects of ingesting very large amounts, you would probably start eliminating while it was still being absorbed, limiting the max. blood concentration. Just my hunch.

    Djin
    Last edited by DjinTonic; 10-10-2019 at 03:06 AM.
    69 yr at Dx, BPH x 20 yr, 9 (!) neg. Bx, PCA3-
    7-05-13 TURP for BPH (90→30 g) path neg., then 6-mo. checks
    6-06-17 Nodule on R + PSA rise on finasteride: 3.6→4.3
    6-28-17 Bx #10: 2/14 cores: G10 (5+5) 50% RB, G9 (4+5) 3% RLM
    Bone scan, CTs, X-rays: neg.
    8-7-17 Open RP, neg. frozen sections, Duke Regional
    SM EPE BNI LVI SVI LNI(16): negative, PNI+, nerves spared
    pT2c pN0 pMX acinar adenocarcinoma G9 (4+5) 5% of prostate (4.5x5x4 cm, 64 g)
    11-10-17 Decipher 0.37 Low Risk: 5-yr met risk 2.4%, 10-yr PCa-specific mortality 3.3%
    Dry; ED OK with sildenafil
    9-16-17 (5 wk) PSA <0.1
    LabCorp uPSA, Roche ECLIA:
    11-28-17 (3 m ) 0.010
    02-26-18 (6 m ) 0.009
    05-30-18 (9 m ) 0.007
    08-27-18 (1 yr.) 0.018 (?)
    09-26-18 (13 m) 0.013 (30-day check)
    11-26-18 (15 m) 0.012
    02-25-19 (18 m) 0.015
    05-22-19 (21 m) 0.015
    08-28-19 (2 yr. ) 0.016
    Avg. = 0.013

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    Where exactly are we infusing the OJ? That could burn.

  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by rooster22 View Post
    ....Anyone hear of this therapy??
    Caveat Emptor!

    If you feel you need additional Vit C, simply eat an extra serving of healthy foods that are high in Vit C.

    Question: If you feel that you need higher protein intake, would you go to The Riordan Clinic and allow them to put a steak in a blender and then hook it to an IV and run it into a vein? Doubtful!

    The human digestive system has evolved wonderfully over millions of years. Why would anyone opt for a totally unnecessary parenteral administration of Vit C?

    Where is Linus Pauling when we need him most?!?!

    MF

  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Michael F View Post
    Caveat Emptor!

    If you feel you need additional Vit C, simply eat an extra serving of healthy foods that are high in Vit C.

    Question: If you feel that you need higher protein intake, would you go to The Riordan Clinic and allow them to put a steak in a blender and then hook it to an IV and run it into a vein? Doubtful!

    The human digestive system has evolved wonderfully over millions of years. Why would anyone opt for a totally unnecessary parenteral administration of Vit C?

    Where is Linus Pauling when we need him most?!?!

    MF
    Setting aside whether this treatment actually does anything (I've not come across studies after the 2017 study above), the point of the IV route is to administer a pharmacological dose to wayward prostate cells. This goes far beyond the normal, essential physiological role that vit. C plays; for this dietary vit. C is all you need.

    I've been taking a panoply of phytochemical supplements (but staying within dosing-limit advice). The ones I've chosen have all shown in vitro action either in preventing or treating PCa. The hurdle is ensuring that enough of an ingested compound can reach prostate cells. And, as I pointed out above, there are now reports that combinations of phytochemicals may have synergistic effects when taken together. But no, I'm not going to go to a clinic to mainline them

    I've weighed the safety information about taking these food substances against the thought of not taking anything, having recurrence, and reading after the fact that one or more of them are effective in pharmacological amounts. Nor is this an all-or-nothing question; slowly down the return of BCR or clinical recurrence is a good thing, too. Just as G6 is the best PCa to have if you're going to have it, if you're going to have BCR, have it at an age where you don't have to worry about clinical recurrence.

    Djin
    Last edited by DjinTonic; 10-10-2019 at 12:57 PM.

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Michael F View Post
    Caveat Emptor!

    Question: If you feel that you need higher protein intake, would you go to The Riordan Clinic and allow them to put a steak in a blender and then hook it to an IV and run it into a vein?

    MF
    Wait, they'll do that? 🤯😀

  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by IceStationZebra View Post
    Wait, they'll do that? ����
    No,just soy protein.
    YOB 1957

    DX 12/18, GS 8, 4+4 6/12 cores, LL Apex 100%, LM Apex 60%, LL Mid 50%, LMM 40%, LL Base 5%, LM <5%, Right side negative.

    3/6/19. Pathology - Grade Group 4 Intraductal Carcinoma
    T3aNO, 1 mm EPE, GS8, 21 mm uni-focal tumor involved 10% of prostate.

    7 Nodes, SV, SM, PNI, and BNI were negative.

    LVI and Cribriform pattern present.

    Decipher .86 High Risk.

    Post Surgery PSA
    3/25/19 .03. (28 days)
    4/25/19 <.03. (58 days)
    5/25/19 <.02. (88 days)
    9/10/2019. <.02. (198 days)

    3 Part Modality Treatment

    2/25/19 Robotic Laparoendoscopic Single Site Surgery outpatient Cleveland Clinic,

    ADT - started 6/19, end date 6/21.

    ART - Completed 9/26/19. (78 Gy, yes, I glow in the dark)

 

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